Marsha, i have always liked Taoism - and was keen on Buddhism too for a long time - Krishnamurti though i found cuts through the dogma and avoids the woolly mysticism. I just dont think there is another shore though for Kieffer - when he dies all his patterns will disintegrate except for the ones he leaves in other peoples minds.
-KO 2008/11/28 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > KO, > > I sometimes pretend to be angry. I hardly ever am. But of course now that > I've said that, I will be tested. > > I think the raft parable concerns what should be done once you have reached > the other shore. I just pointed out that a raft is useful to help get > across. > > I am very taken by Eastern thought. I have been since I first read > Krishnamurti some twenty-five years ago. I don't know how to explain my > attraction. It was intense right from the beginning. > > Sorry I didn't mean to confuse you. > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > At 02:56 AM 11/28/2008, you wrote: > >> Marsha, i am impressed by your reply - that you didnt react angrily to my >> dismissal of your passage; but i still cannot take anything useful from >> your >> parable. >> >> -KO >> >> 2008/11/27 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > At 01:49 PM 11/27/2008, KO wrote: >> > >> > Marsha, you know i was referring to Pao-t'ung's message; >> >> all those other shores, true sources, original face, unborn, >> >> free spirits, etc etc - it is too vague. >> >> >> > >> > KO, >> > >> > I presented this quote because it refers to the raft parable, that is, >> > needing assistance until one realizes fully. >> > >> > >> > And the last two sentences - why does he have to be so >> >> obscure? >> >> >> > >> > Some of the MOQ seems obscure. Is it? >> > >> > >> > I suppose if all that stuff doesnt make sense to me that >> >> must mean that i am not spiritual enough, or not >> >> compassionate enough, or not sensitive enough. >> >> >> > >> > Not so. It may mean that you are not familiar with the raft parable and >> > its association. >> > >> > >> > I like the Tao Te Ching alright but that passage only >> >> depresses me. >> >> >> > >> > I would imagine that raft comes in many shapes and colors. The MOQ >> would >> > be one of them. >> > >> > >> > I cant give you an interpretation because >> >> the passage is just too inpenetrable for me. >> >> >> > >> > Okay. I thought there was some in particular you wanted to challenge. >> > >> > (continued below) >> > >> > >> > >> > 2008/11/27 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > KO, >> >> > >> >> > I'd be curious to what message you are questioning, and your >> >> interpretation >> >> > of it? >> >> > >> >> > Marsha >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > At 05:23 AM 11/27/2008, you wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Marhsa, are you open to the idea that the message may >> >> >>be misleading, impractical and impossible; >> >> >> > >> > I am open to the fact that the message may be beyond my understanding. >> I >> > worry about this. I sometimes wish I had a teacher, but I've heard >> RamDas >> > say a teacher will play to the expectations of the student. - No, I do >> not >> > think it is impractical. Impossible? Sometimes. >> > >> > >> > >> it is scary to cast off ideas that we have clung >> >> >> to for years. >> >> >> > >> > Sometimes it's hard, sometimes it easy. Sometimes it is hard because >> it's >> > so easy. >> > >> > >> > Marsha >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > > . > . > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars......... > . > . > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
