Marsha, you know i was referring to Pao-t'ung's message; all those other shores, true sources, original face, unborn, free spirits, etc etc - it is too vague. And the last two sentences - why does he have to be so obscure? I suppose if all that stuff doesnt make sense to me that must mean that i am not spiritual enough, or not compassionate enough, or not sensitive enough. I like the Tao Te Ching alright but that passage only depresses me. I cant give you an interpretation because the passage is just too inpenetrable for me.
-KO 2008/11/27 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > KO, > > I'd be curious to what message you are questioning, and your interpretation > of it? > > Marsha > > > > > > > At 05:23 AM 11/27/2008, you wrote: > >> Marhsa, are you open to the idea that the message may be misleading, >> impractical and impossible; it is scary to cast off ideas that we have >> clung >> to for years. >> >> -KO >> >> 2008/11/27 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> > >> > I do not doubt it. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > At 03:01 AM 11/27/2008, you wrote: >> > >> >> ... and you really credit this Marsha? >> >> >> >> -KO >> >> >> >> 2008/11/27 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Pao-t'ung says "The sutras say to cross a river we need a raft, but >> >> once >> >> > we reach the other shore, we no longer need it. If a person resolves >> to >> >> > find their trur source and plumbs the depths of reason and nature, >> they >> >> will >> >> > see their original face and instantly awaken to what is unborn. This >> is >> >> to >> >> > reach the other shore. And once they are there, they are there >> forever. >> >> > They don't need to return again. They will be free spirits >> unconcerned >> >> > with material things,m and they; will be happy and at peace. >> Chia-shan >> >> > said. 'The Tao is everywhere.' He also said, 'When you see form, you >> >> see >> >> > the mind.' But people only see form. They don't see the mind. If >> you >> >> can >> >> > look into the depths and think about what you are doing one action at >> a >> >> > time, you will suddenly see. This is called seeing your nature. You >> >> can't >> >> > know this nature through knowledge. You can't perceive it through >> >> > perception. This nature has no form or appearance. When you don't >> see >> >> it, >> >> > you see it. When you see it, you don't see it."" >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a >> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony >> >> without >> >> > end. >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> > Archives: >> >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> > >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> Archives: >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> > >> > . >> > . >> > >> > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the >> stars......... >> > . >> > . >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > > . > . > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars......... > . > . > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
