Bo said to dmb: I wrote a longish piece, but have deleted it all, because I know you will wander off on some tangent. So try to concentrate. dmb says: Well, okay. But I don't think my response was tangential at all. Bo continued:If James and Dewey and Northrop agree on an undifferentiated, primary something ahead of our subject/object reality, and Pirsig joins them, only adding that this is called "Quality", then the (first ZAMM) MOQ should have looked like this: Undifferentiated or DQ - slash - Differentiated or SQ not the: Quality = Undifferentiated or DQ - slash - Differentiated or SQ.
dmb says:I don't see what the difference is. Either way reality (Quality) is divided in two. Bo concluded: ... which is behind the Quality/MOQ "metaphysics" that overrides the MOQ. dmb says:Again, I don't see what the problem is. The Quality that Pirsig talks about is Dynamic and the talk itself (the MOQ) is static. Why is that a problem? How can that distinction "override" the MOQ? That distinction is itself part of the MOQ. It is one made with the analytic knife and it's expressed in words and concepts. Do you realize how confusing that little sentence fragment is? If we replace the abbreviation (MOQ) with the words it represents it would look like this... ...which is behind the Quality/metaphysics of quality "metaphysics" that overrides the metaphysics of quality. Huh? I'd beg you to take another look at my so-called tangent. The statement that you see as a problem is expressed so many different ways that one of them is bound to work for you. And if you can manage to see that they all express the same idea you'll be in great shape. From what I've gathered, you have misunderstood the notion of pre-intellectual experience (DQ) and maybe even see it as a reference to static social quality. If so, that would certainly have a huge negative impact on your understanding of key ideas, not least of all the nature of DQ. Another possibility is that you take Quality to be a third thing, as if one could divide something in two and still have the whole thing in tact. When you divide one thing into two parts then you've only got two parts and that's it. If you add these two back together then you've got just one again. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
