> [Krimel]
> When people claim to feel the personal presence of God you condemn them
> because they don't meet some historical test of the true mystic? What is
> this test? How can anyone in the present have the original experience that
> gave rise to the second hand belief system, if the second hand belief system
> does not foster the original experience? How could anyone have the original
> experience when it had already been had? Isn't the belief system there to
> guide the believer on a path towards an original experience of their own?

MP: Well said. Seconded.
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