[Willblake2] In summary, our thoughts are the direct evolutionary result of the exchange of massless things between particles. OK, so now I've labeled it down as far as I can, am I enlightened, do I understand myself any better? All I have created is an endless stream of labels, do I call that true understanding? I should have stopped at the first one. The world is sitting on a turtle, which in turn is standing on a turtle below it, and that one on a turtle below it, and so on. It's turtles all the way down! Oh, now I understand it!
[Krimel] What sort of understanding are you looking for? What you describe is more of less our current understanding of one of the fundamental questions of philosophy: what is? In fits and starts, I periodically take a stab at exploring the second fundamental question of philosophy: how do we know? There we have it: physics and psychology. You call this reductionist. I suppose it looks that way from the Top Down. But it you start where is actually seems to start, at the bottom, it looks more like emergence, from simple phantom particles to sequoias. I see complex order emerging spontaneously from the simple and chaotic. At each level that you describing I can see self similar complexity and infinite detail. Or as Case once put it: "Jiggle the time scale and rocks roll. Mountains, crumble and erode The fractal forms of valleys flow All things cleave and shatter Zoom in, Zoom out, refocus." You see turtles; I see growth. You seem to be longing for some "higher" purpose or understanding to be handed down from on high. I see purpose and meaning growing out of and evolving from simpler beginnings. I am the current flickering of a flame that has burned without interruption on Earth for four billion years. Me and mine; the family of "man" and community of organisms of this planet; we are the keepers of that flame. God did not create us. We are creating God. If there is more to come, greater meaning to be derived from this veil of tears, then it will grow out of us and what we do now. We are in the process of creating higher consciousness, meaning, and purpose in the universe. We didn't start the fire It was always burning Since the world's been turning ... We didn't start the fire But when we are gone Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on...? - Billy Joel Will it still burn? Now there is a question to ponder. Does it matter? Matter to who? It matters to me and mine! Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
