[Michael] Again: faith = affirmation absent proof. [Arlo] Let me ask it this way.
An apple falls from a tree to the ground. What "proof" do you have that it is "Gravity" that is the cause of this and not "God"? By your own argument, both "affirming" this as Gravity or God are equally "faith-based" affirmations. No? And if you are not reducing all socio-intellectual patterns to "faith", give me an example of an intellectual pattern you have "proof of"? And its funny, you think you are getting a fanatic response. Maybe its just that those of us who strive to understand the MOQ see your desperation to overlay faith (following your desperation to interject theism) as being woefully misguided? Nah... it has to be that we're all fanatic theists... like you! Yeah, that MUST be it... [Michael] Atoms in a rock are making choices? Uh huh. [Arlo] Well, as I said, they are making choices based on a very limited and mundane repertoire of possible responses. When Pirsig said a "rock is a static pattern of value" that's what he means. The atoms are responding to quality (demonstrating value preferences), and in doing so their aggregrate responses are seen to us as "a rock". [Michael] And you can prove this is the case rather than the commonly accepted scientific explanation of the behavior of atoms? [Arlo] What proof do you have that the commonly accepted scientific explanation is true? [Michael] I'm not applying faith to everything, you've leapt to that conclusion based on a failure (or is it reluctance) to accept my point. [Arlo] Your logic leads to the inevitable conclusion that all intellectual patterns (which are, in effect, "affirmations of experience", or "experience affirmed as Experience") are equally rooted in "faith". You've said it in this post. The MOQ is a faith-based belief, just like religion. Its just another flavor of kool-aid. Are you saying "science" is exempt from this? That all things except science are rooted in faith? Because if the MOQ is "faith-based", then that pretty much makes all metaphysics and philosophy faith-based, no? Or give me an example of a philosophy that is NOT faith-based? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
