Hello everyone ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:29:19 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Quality-as-pre-conceptual/MOQ as conceptual. > > [Craig, previously] >> If you swing on a swing, there is a point where you will feel >> weightlessness & other points where you will not. When Plato swang >> did he feel the same? >> Or was he not able to because there was no gravity then? > > > > > {Dan] >> I asked you for references concerning whether Plato formulated a law >> of gravity. > > > > >Craig: > This misses the point. Neither Plato (nor anyone else) needs a law of gravity > (nor do many people know one) in order to feel what they feel when they swing.
Dan: You're asking nonsensical questions. I've tried to be delicate by offering nonsensical answers. > > [Dan] >> what you're really saying is that you believe so strongly in the law >> of gravity that you cannot envision a time when it wasn't in force, >> even thousands and billions of years ago when there was no law of >> gravity. >Craig: > Not really. I don’t think the final word is in, regarding gravity. > It could turn out to be much different than we think. (Gravitons, anyone?) Dan: Of course the final word isn't in on gravity. Laws change to reflect new data. The law of gravity sprung into being when Newton had his great insight (supposedly triggered by the apple falling on his head). What I see you saying is that gravity was always around and Newton discovered it. That is a conventional way of looking at it. But that is not what Robert Pirsig is saying in ZMM. That is the point. > > [Dan] >> I could speculate that since Plato did not fly off the face of the >> earth and out into interstellar space (where he might have observed >> galaxies forming), there was something like the law of gravity when >> he was alive. But that something like the law of gravity was not gravity > > > >Craig: > This misses the point. Neither Plato (nor anyone else) needs a law of gravity > (nor do many people know one) in order to feel what they feel when they swing. Dan: Apparently I've missed just about every point you've tried to make. In my experience, it always reflects on me when others miss my point. Either I'm not fully engaged in what I'm saying or I am just plain wrong. Which are you? > > [Dan] >> what you're really saying is that you believe so strongly in the law >> of gravity that you cannot envision a time when it wasn't in force, >> even thousands and billions of years ago when there was no law of >> gravity. >Craig: > Not really. I don’t think the final word is in, regarding gravity. > It could turn out to be much different than we think. (Gravitons, anyone?) Dan: Deja vu, anyone? > > [Dan] >> I could speculate that since Plato did not fly off the face of the >> earth and out into interstellar space (where he might have observed >> galaxies forming), there was something like the law of gravity when >> he was alive. But that something like the law of gravity was not gravity > >> in the sense you think of it. > > Why not? Dan: Please re-re-read the passage about gravity in ZMM and you tell me. I am sure I'd miss the point with any comment I make. Dan _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
