Craig and Dan 13 March you wrote to Dan: > To say t he laws of physics are the same on Earth as on Mars or as > they were when the galaxies were being formed, is not to make a > sociological statement about the comparative state of science among > Earth scientists, little green men & disembodied scientists floating > around billions of years ago. Rather itâs to say that the same laws > apply here & there, now & then. If astronomers discover a new galaxy > forming, they study it for clues to how our own galaxy formed. Â Why? > Â Only because they think the same laws will apply (i.e., interaction > between similar phenomena will be similar under similar conditions.)
In "young" Phaedrus time SOM's (intellect's) "O" part (objective over subjective) dominated and this was meant to kick its ass. The "O" premises is that there is a material world governed by natural laws, all observed by the human consciousness. This carried to its extreme reveals the paradox and confirms the Sophist's "man the measure" sentence. But the MOQ has no subjective leaning, it rejects SOM's "S" part as well and it becomes kind of embarrassing when Quality is put in Gravity's place proves that there was no Quality before Pirsig. Which is true, the Quality Explanation - the MOQ - came to be with Pirsig and disproves the Summary's "Quality/MOQ" assertion. Great theories create new realities. Newton's created the Gravity Reality and Pirsig created the Quality Reality. However Newton's was just a small itellectual/scientific adjustment, and from that level seen it's obvious that gravity has been from eternity. The MOQ postulates the levels as major reality leaps and the MOQ the last and greatest reality leap possible. Further it postulates the upper-level-out-of-the-former, thus the MOQ isn't out Pirsig's "mind" but out of the intellectual level and a person who has entered it's meta-level will see and understand the lower level's limited view, particularly intellect's and how its S/O repertoire runs into paradoxes regardless the "O-over-S" or "S- over-O". I know that Dan hate it when I criticize annotations in Lila's Child as if they are his, but the latter-day Pirsig is not up to his own ideas. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
