I am happy to have Paul back too. I had no knowledge of Buddhism
when he was here before so I'm sure I had no inkling of what he was
saying. Since then I have stumbled through my understanding of
Buddhism with many tears and much uncertainty, and a feeling that
Kali is missing.
At 04:54 AM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
Yes, yes Marsha,
I think I've said several times that all sorts of "why" questions that
appear to expect purposeful (or simply causal) answers are undermined
by the fact that time itself is a weird pattern - to say the very
least - as an answer, even evolution is not immune from that problem.
(On reason why it is good to have Paul back on line ... alternative
views on causation, and hence time.)
Regads
Ian
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:45 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Ian,
>
> OMG! Isn't evolution just the institutionalization of time? And isn't
> time a static pattern of value that spins off other
patterns? Something is
> strange with this picture... Time???
>
> It seems too late and too silly to worry about winning arguments, and maybe
> I can learn to be content with the wind as my friend, at least
the colors of
> the wind, and all that dust in the wind is endlessly fascinating.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
> At 04:14 AM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
>>
>> I consider that very wise Marsha.
>>
>> I call your "There are not the resources to chase down all anomalies
>> and alternative hypotheses"
>> The "Life's too short" hypothesis, but it doesn't win me any friends
>> or arguments ;-)
>> Ian
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:37 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Greetings Ham,
>> >
>> > You seem dangerously naive to me because of the ease with which you
>> > overlay
>> > an idealized science onto a working science. There are not the
>> > resources to
>> > chase down all anomalies and alternative hypotheses. And the answers
>> > reached are often guaranteed by the method, questions and instruments
>> > used
>> > for evaluating a theory. How long did it take to correct Newton's
>> > physics?
>> > How many hundreds of years to make that correction? From what I've
>> > read
>> > there were plenty of anomalies along the way. (In my mind, it is better
>> > to
>> > see time and space as static patterns of value, conceptually
>> > constructed.
>> > It is a better perspective.) And I hardly think that science as a tool
>> > of
>> > politics, profit and the military make it an exalted institution.
>> > Science
>> > needs to work better.
>> >
>> >
>> > Marsha
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At 12:51 AM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> Marsha and Platt --
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [Platt]:
>> >>>
>> >>> The Darwinists are hard pressed to explain hobbits.
>> >>> The theory is now challenged from within.
>> >>> Wonders never cease.
>> >>
>> >> [Marsha]:
>> >>>
>> >>> Intelligent Design is not credible science.
>> >>> My concern is that science is blindly followed without an
>> >>> understanding of its danger points, and I am relieved
>> >>> that it is being challenged. It should be properly
>> >>> evaluated and monitored by all citizens.
>> >>
>> >> Intelligent Design is not Science at all. It is an intellectual
>> >> perspective of reality based on man's sensibility to symmetry and
>> >> order.
>> >> When we say that the universe is intelligently designed, by whose
>> >> "intelligence" are we judging its design? Human beings are rational
>> >> creatures who impute their own intelligence to the objective world
>> >> because
>> >> of its value (high-quality) to them.
>> >>
>> >> The "wonder" is that you don't realize scientific anomalies like the
>> >> newly
>> >> discovered hobbit skeletons are constantly being challenged. The
>> >> method of
>> >> Science is: investigate - test - confirm. When you read the entire
>> >> article,
>> >> you see that paleontologists, biologists, and archeologists are
>> >> currently in
>> >> the "testing phase", ruling out possible explanations, such as early
>> >> migration of a more primitive species, reversion to an ancestral
>> >> lineage,
>> >> genetic mutations or pathological disorders, or island dwarfing.
>> >> Eventually
>> >> they will have the evidence they need to confirm a conclusion. Until
>> >> then,
>> >> unlike armchair speculators and journalists, they withhold any official
>> >> pronouncement.
>> >>
>> >> As Stony Brook's anatomist, speaking for the research team, said, their
>> >> investigation has entered "a period of wait and see. ...Someday people
>> >> [will ask], why was everyone so puzzled back then - it's plain to see
>> >> where
>> >> the little people of Flores came from." That's the way Science works.
>> >> If
>> >> Science depended on the "evaluation and monitoring" of uninformed
>> >> citizens,
>> >> reaching objective conclusions would be about as rare as it is on this
>> >> forum.
>> >>
>> >> --Ham
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