[Andrew] You know I'm not talking about Japanese-Americans. I am speaking of Hiroshima, for example. Answer this.
[Arlo] Sigh. I did. The act of dropping the bomb on Hiroshima was a military objective. Demonizing everyone of Japanese ethnicity (which includes Japanese-Americans) was immoral. [Andrew] It certainly does not escape me that there are many idealists in the world. I just think that it is naive to think we can all just work things out on paper or at some sort of round table. [Arlo] Welcome to world of the most distorted rhetoric I've seen in a while. Since I've said repeatedly that responding to threats with necessary measures is something I support, including war, and only that extending that to include a campaign of xenophobia against an entire ethnicity is immoral, your statement here ranks among the most shameful talk-radio rhetoric imaginable. Kudos. "Work things out on paper...", you should be embarrassed at typing that. Really, Andrew, its really shameful. And if only there was another example of shameful rhetoric to follow.. oh wait, there is! [Andrew had said] Pray for peace and a wise and loving shepherd. [Arlo responded] Yeah, I would say I certainly view the world differently than you do. While I pray for peace, I am prepared to wage war, I am just able to discern doing what I must to protect myself, and advancing notions of inferiority or hatred aimed at an entire ethnicity or nationality. Again, sorry that escapes you. [Andrew] You go, Arlo! How have you prepared to wage war? Can you loan me an ICBM? My neighbors dog won't stop yapping at night. I'm simply asking a question, numb nuts. [Arlo] You are really embarrassing yourself with this talk-radio nonsense. If your neighbor's dog is yapping all night, find a way to deal with it. But declaring all people of his/her given ancestry inferior, or launching a campaign aimed at making everyone fear "those" people, well... I know common sense is escaping you. [Andrew] I'm not pandering. I'm observing. It was a dumb example, Arlo. But you are good at that. "By any means necessary". You just won't admit you admire them. [Arlo] Oooo... very nice, keep those talk-radio tactics a'flyin'... I don't admire the Black Panthers. I find xenophobia immoral no matter the speaker. [Andrew] I'm not claiming it is moral. I say it may not require intellectual justification to be "right". Your quote is an old one. Things have changed. Not all tibetans are monks. Tibetans will kick your Chinese ass, arlo. [Arlo] You're truly pathetic. OK. If you feel you have evidence that the only way Tibet will survive is to adopt xenophobic attitudes towards the Chinese, which completely undercuts the very principles their culture espouses, and you have evidence of this, please, let me know. [Andrew] This is pointless. You don't get it. Have a nice day. [Arlo] Yeah, that's a good talk-radio tactic too. [Andrew] You would never let such a thing be implied? Take some Prozac, fella. It'll be o.k. [Arlo] Pathetic. [Andrew] What is justified and what is moral are two different things. As you have previously stated on another thread, "It is contextual". [Arlo] Really, that runs counter to everything you've said in this thread. Your only point has been that xenophobia is a valid "biological" reply to perceived "biological" threats. I know, mentioning the Panthers (which you did), or the Aryan Nation, or the KKK, or Al Qaeda, having to apply your "reasoning" across the board is something that must suck for you. I mean, I know it makes you look stupid, I know why you are incapable of answering, and why you try to sweep all that under the rug and now claim "context". Funny. [Andrew] Let's forget about all these examples. [Arlo] By all means, let's forget about examples you are incapable of responding to, it may make you come across more intelligent than you are. [Andrew] I question that a valid morality can be had for free, like a mathematical lemma, after all the hard metaphysical work has been done. It seems cheap to me. [Arlo] And again, I think intelligent people are capable of responding to threats and aggression, with force when necessary, without lowering themselves to the pit of xenophobia you feel would not only be justified but even necessary. [Andrew] Have a nice day, Bubba. [Arlo] Oh yeah, that EIB mic is almost yours! Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
