[Andrew] Ask any Jew: Was the holocaust strictly a military operation? What military threat were the Germans targeting?
Is it immoral? ( general hatred ). Certainly it is socially unacceptable to many, but perhaps it is necessary for biological success. [Arlo] Um... you can't possibly be this stupid. Really, jokes over. The Holocaust was not a military operation, no, it was genocide fueled by xenophobia. The response to this threat was a military operation, which if I recall did not include pronouncing the inferiority and subhumanness of the German people. Had the Jews responded with a counter-Holocaust, then that response would have been immoral as well. [Andrew] It is not necessarily mine, Mr. Ad-Hominem. Disagree but give examples please. Where is the historical precedent? [Arlo] Funny. You can make snide comments and that's okay. I return the serve, and I'm "Mr. Ad-Hominem". Nice tactic. You are asking me for an example in history of where a people were under biological assault (war, Holocaust, etc.) and DID NOT respond with a campaign of xenophobia or promote general hatred and violence towards all members of a given ethnicity? [Andrew] Total warfare is aimed at the people, not at military targets. Doesn't this at least require some form of implicit xenophobia ( yellow peril, for example ) in order to be implemented? [Arlo] No, it does not. There was no justification for violence towards Japanese-Americans as part of our military campaign. There is no justification for the pandering to fear of Muslims as part of any military actions we need to take. [Andrew] Or can or should war be conducted without these methods. [Arlo] I would think intelligent people can understand a threat and deal with it, as opposed to promoting a general hatred and fear of a given ethnicity. Sorry this seems to escape you. [Andrew] You view the world through a different prism than I do. Pray for peace and a wise and loving shepherd. [Arlo] Yeah, I would say I certainly view the world differently than you do. While I pray for peace, I am prepared to wage war, I am just able to discern doing what I must to protect myself, and advancing notions of inferiority or hatred aimed at an entire ethnicity or nationality. Again, sorry that escapes you. [Andrew] If the money prevents your family from being thrown out on the street and you can't talk or shame whitey from robbing you, and if adopting feelings of general hatred towards whites is necessary for you to muster the biological nerve to defend yourself now and against possible future attacks, then yes, proclaim away. Ask any black panther. Ask any Ron Kuby. [Arlo] So you think the Black Panther's xenophobia is justified? Too bad, I'd say you are pandering to very low, immoral fears in order to justify pronouncements of superiority. Also, pity the man who can only be moved to defend himself by proclaiming the entire ethnicity of his assailant is inferior. [Andrew] Unlike yourself, I do not claim to be an authority on anything. I'm just a curious man with a wooden leg looking for a nice soft shoulder to cry on. [Arlo] Praytell, what have I claimed "authority" on? I'm just a person expressing his opinions, backing them up with historical examples and at times turning to those involved in the issues being discussed for insight an outsider could not have. [Andrew] Maybe many feel as you do, Arlo, but I doubt many of them are Tibetan. [Arlo] You "doubt" this? Based on what? Since the Lama has proclaimed the same position I espouse, and he is the voice for many, many Tibetans, what evidence do you have to the contrary? Are their Tibetans who have come to hate all things Chinese? I would say very likely. But from what I read from Tibet's highest spokesperson, the immoral hatred you seem to think is justifiable and moral is something Tibetan's are not succumbing to. [Andrew] Maybe you are frightened of biological reality. Our pretty little world won't last forever. The groceries are going to run out one day. Then what? [Arlo] Then I hope I die a better man than you, then I hope I am able to continue discerning between threats and extending hatred and fear towards an entire ethnicity. [Andrew] I see that you don't object to me putting you on the same level as the Dalai Lama. Lol. [Arlo] I didn't realize that directing a question to us both was a sarcastic inference that I am on the same level as the Lama. I am not, and would never suggest or allow such a thing to be implied. Tell me something, since you seem to feel pretty feel confident that xenophobia is a moral and justifiable response to biological threats, is it ever NOT justified or moral? The Germans, for example, proclaimed the Jews a "biological threat" to their nation, does that justify their xenophobia? The Holocaust? The campaign of fear (using rats depicting Jews in posters)? You mentioned the Black Panters, is their xenophobia justifiable and moral? The KKK or Aryan Brotherhood? Al Qaeda? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
