To Arlo and Andrew, The latest views of the lama on china. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/05/10/gps.dalai.lama.interview.cnn
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[email protected]> wrote: > [Andrew] > You know I'm not talking about Japanese-Americans. I am speaking of > Hiroshima, > for example. Answer this. > > [Arlo] > Sigh. I did. The act of dropping the bomb on Hiroshima was a military > objective. Demonizing everyone of Japanese ethnicity (which includes > Japanese-Americans) was immoral. > > [Andrew] > It certainly does not escape me that there are many idealists in the world. > I > just think that it is naive to think we can all just work things out on > paper > or at some sort of round table. > > [Arlo] > Welcome to world of the most distorted rhetoric I've seen in a while. Since > I've said repeatedly that responding to threats with necessary measures is > something I support, including war, and only that extending that to include > a > campaign of xenophobia against an entire ethnicity is immoral, your > statement > here ranks among the most shameful talk-radio rhetoric imaginable. Kudos. > "Work > things out on paper...", you should be embarrassed at typing that. Really, > Andrew, its really shameful. > > And if only there was another example of shameful rhetoric to follow.. oh > wait, > there is! > > [Andrew had said] > Pray for peace and a wise and loving shepherd. > > [Arlo responded] > Yeah, I would say I certainly view the world differently than you do. While > I > pray for peace, I am prepared to wage war, I am just able to discern doing > what > I must to protect myself, and advancing notions of inferiority or hatred > aimed > at an entire ethnicity or nationality. Again, sorry that escapes you. > > [Andrew] > You go, Arlo! How have you prepared to wage war? Can you loan me an ICBM? > My > neighbors dog won't stop yapping at night. I'm simply asking a question, > numb > nuts. > > [Arlo] > You are really embarrassing yourself with this talk-radio nonsense. > > If your neighbor's dog is yapping all night, find a way to deal with it. > But > declaring all people of his/her given ancestry inferior, or launching a > campaign aimed at making everyone fear "those" people, well... I know > common > sense is escaping you. > > [Andrew] > I'm not pandering. I'm observing. It was a dumb example, Arlo. But you are > good > at that. "By any means necessary". You just won't admit you admire them. > > [Arlo] > Oooo... very nice, keep those talk-radio tactics a'flyin'... I don't admire > the > Black Panthers. I find xenophobia immoral no matter the speaker. > > [Andrew] > I'm not claiming it is moral. I say it may not require intellectual > justification to be "right". Your quote is an old one. Things have changed. > Not > all tibetans are monks. Tibetans will kick your Chinese ass, arlo. > > [Arlo] > You're truly pathetic. OK. If you feel you have evidence that the only way > Tibet will survive is to adopt xenophobic attitudes towards the Chinese, > which > completely undercuts the very principles their culture espouses, and you > have > evidence of this, please, let me know. > > [Andrew] > This is pointless. You don't get it. Have a nice day. > > [Arlo] > Yeah, that's a good talk-radio tactic too. > > [Andrew] > You would never let such a thing be implied? Take some Prozac, fella. It'll > be > o.k. > > [Arlo] > Pathetic. > > [Andrew] > What is justified and what is moral are two different things. As you have > previously stated on another thread, "It is contextual". > > [Arlo] > Really, that runs counter to everything you've said in this thread. Your > only > point has been that xenophobia is a valid "biological" reply to perceived > "biological" threats. > > I know, mentioning the Panthers (which you did), or the Aryan Nation, or > the > KKK, or Al Qaeda, having to apply your "reasoning" across the board is > something that must suck for you. I mean, I know it makes you look stupid, > I > know why you are incapable of answering, and why you try to sweep all that > under the rug and now claim "context". Funny. > > [Andrew] > Let's forget about all these examples. > > [Arlo] > By all means, let's forget about examples you are incapable of responding > to, > it may make you come across more intelligent than you are. > > [Andrew] > I question that a valid morality can be had for free, like a mathematical > lemma, after all the hard metaphysical work has been done. It seems cheap > to me. > > [Arlo] > And again, I think intelligent people are capable of responding to threats > and > aggression, with force when necessary, without lowering themselves to the > pit > of xenophobia you feel would not only be justified but even necessary. > > [Andrew] > Have a nice day, Bubba. > > [Arlo] > Oh yeah, that EIB mic is almost yours! > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > -- --Sharath ============================== Ping-pong & life are similar - both a quest for perfection. ============================== Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
