[Andrew]
I wonder how it would be possible for Tibetans ( for example ) to exercise
biological quality ( nationalism, survivalism ) without violating some "higher
level" moral edict, such as "thou shalt not dehumanize nor slur the enemy".
[Arlo]
I would think its possible to separate out a military foe from demonizing
everyone of a particular ethnicity. But hey, that's just me. Obviously, that is
a level of "discriminating" that is impossible for some.
[Andrew]
The problem with your opinion is that the destruction of culture is a valid
military objective. Destroy the culture and there is nothing left for the
people to fight for. Ask any Jew. You hold Tibetans ( for example ) to an
impossibly high moral standard. Consider the people of Dresden or Hiroshima and
the concept of "total war". What the fuck did they do to us? Did we bomb them
with brotherly love and understanding?
The Chinese are bombing Tibet with Chinese peasants. That is total war.
I repeat: The destruction of culture is a valid military objective. It's been
with us since the good ol' days of rape and pillage. Ask any Muslim. Are the
Tibetans wise to refrain from applying such basic military doctrine? What can
"Free Tibet" possibly mean to you?
[Arlo]
Would you say that violence or even "hate" against Americans of Japanese
descent following Pearl Harbor was moral or even justifiable?
[Andrew]
You are giving me the choice to either agree with you or discredit myself. Go
figure. Replace Japanese and Pearl Harbor with Muslims and 911. Think about
this one and then ask me again.
[Andrew]
I am suggesting that Tibetans are probably "hate filled" and less than holy
with regards to the Chinese. If so, are they misguided? Sensitivity training?
[Arlo]
I would think that most Tibetans are smart enough folk not extend their valid
anger against a specific aggressor into "everyone of Chinese descent is an
inferior subhuman".
[Andrew]
I am sure that Tibetans are a smart and talented race of people who are capable
of such distinctions. The problem here is that hate and "xenophobia" are not
intellectual values. They are biological values. We should not discredit
biological quality when reality calls for biological action.
[Arlo]
Maybe you missed something the Dalai Lama said to the Tibetan people way back
in 1971.
"Inspite of the fact that we Tibetans have to oppose Communist China, I can
never bring myself to hate her people. Hatred is not a sign of strength, but of
weakness. When Lord Buddha said that hatred cannot be overcome by hatred, he
was not only being spiritual. But His words reflect the practical reality of
life. What ever one achieves through hatred will not last long. On the other
hand, hatred will only generate more problems. And for the Tibetan people who
are faced with such a tragic situation, hatred will only bring additional
depression. Moreover, how can we hate a people who do not know what they are
doing? How can we hate millions of Chinese, who have no power and are
helplessly led by their leaders? We cannot even hate the Chinese leaders for
they have suffered tremendously for their nation and the cause which they
believe to be right. I do not believe in hatred, but I do believe, as I have
always done, that one day truth and justice will triumph." (The Dalai Lama)
Apparently many do posses a level of discernment that you lack.
[Andrew]
I see that you have mastered Google. Good work.
Perhaps the Dalai Lama is not the last word on Tibet any more than Mr. Pirsig
is the last word on quality.
My original question transposed: How will truth and justice ( intellectual
quality, social quality ) triumph when the people ( biological quality ) who
have spent aeons evolving towards these ends are gradually displaced and
ultimately wiped off the earth ( inorganic quality ) ?
I ask you and I ask the Dalai Lama.
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