[Ron]
I like that this discussion has took a turn toward getting to the bottom of
the dispute in a meaningful way, I have learned quite a bit from turning it
around at different angles and the conflict is definitely one that holds a
relevency in current understanding, I know it can't all be hugs an kisses
but I really learn alot from you two when you go at it constructivly, thanks
for including me.

[Krimel]
Thanks, Ron. It does help though when the other party addresses that actual
points being made. Failure to do that really does tend to piss me off.
Several times your interest has served to turn the heat down.

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