On 21 Jul 2009 at 16:37, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > [Platt] > On your level it's obvious you favor communism and socialism for > intellectual control of society, blithely ignoring the defect in > intellectualism > > [Arlo] > On my level, I value the dominance of intellect over society, rather > than the "slow drift" back to the dominance of society over > intellect, as you champion. I do not "ignore" the defect, it needs to > be corrected. The "conservative" solution of retreating to the days > of Victorianism, howerver, is not the answer.
You obviously don't understand conservatism. > [Platt] > Not to mention the defect in lumping conservatism with fascism. What > an ignoramus! > > [Arlo] > Well you lump communism and socialism together. So, whatever fits, > eh? I mean, both fascism and conservatism are programs for the > dominance of society over intellect. Both were (are) aggressively > anti-intellectual. Both were (are) aggressively nationalistic. Your ignorance of conservatism is shameful for an academic, but hardly surprising. I could recommend a few books to enlighten you, but why bother? Your mind is closed tight. > "Communism and socialism, programs for intellectual control over > society, were confronted by the reactionary forces of fascism, a > program for the social control of intellect." (Pirsig) > > "Phaedrus thought that no other historical or political analysis > explains the enormity of these forces as clearly as does the > Metaphysics of Quality. The gigantic power of socialism and fascism, > which have overwhelmed this century, is explained by a conflict of > levels of evolution." (Pirsig) > > "In the United States the economic and social upheaval was not so > great as in Europe, but Franklin Roosevelt and the New Deal, > nevertheless, became the center of a lesser storm between social and > intellectual forces." (Pirsig) > > Who was that "lesser storm" contrasting? "Liberals" and > "conservatives". An upheaval "not so great" as the one between > socialism and fascism, but a difference only of degree, according to Pirsig. Have you read Lila? Do you have any concept of how defective intellect has made a mess of things, beginning with Wilson and Roosevelt? > [Platt] > Stupid remark. Pirsig understands that free market capitalism is > superior to your intellectual communist and socialist programs for > control of society. > > [Arlo] > I'm sorry. Pirsig has vocally supported both Ant and DMB, the very > people who claim "don't get this". Has Pirsig ever commented on your > grasp of the MOQ? Has he ever shown any indication to support your > "anti-intellectual" agenda? Hmm... given his comments to DMB in the > video, I'd say the person who wrote the MOQ knows who here best > understands it. And since he says outright that DMB is the voice that > pulls those who stray back to what he, Pirsig, means, I'd say your > charge is idiotic and baseless. Nice try at changing the subject. Obviously you don't want to admit to the superiority of the free market, a conservative principal. As for Pirsig commenting about me, check his Introduction to "Lila's Child," written long before you or DMB came on the scene. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
