Anybody see any evidence supporting anything said here? Has anyone ever seen DMB change his mind about anything? As Marsha observed about another contributor, looks like a classic case of psychological projection
Case closed. Platt. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:52 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]>wrote: > > Arlo said to Platt: > Who was that "lesser storm" contrasting? "Liberals" and "conservatives". An > upheaval "not so great" as the one between socialism and fascism, but a > difference only of degree, according to Pirsig. [AND] I mean, both fascism > and conservatism are programs for the dominance of society over intellect. > Both were (are) aggressively anti-intellectual. Both were (are) aggressively > nationalistic. > > dmb says: > Right. Basically, fascism is conservatism with the volume turned up in the > same way that a very liberal person could rightly be called a socialist. > Understanding where the various ideologies fit in relation to each other > doesn't require any metaphysics, however, and apparently this is just > something Platt never learned at school. Platt is among the 22% of Americans > who say they admire Sarah Palin and he thinks Jonah Goldberg's conflation of > liberalism and fascism is right on. Anyone who looks at the MOQ's political > analysis through eyes like that will very likely see something other than > what it actually means. These basic misconceptions, and the extreme > positions they lead to, will only be compounded by adding a evolutionary > metaphysics to them. I mean, the guy needs some history lessons first. > I mean, what's the point in debating the MOQ's analysis with a guy who > doesn't even understand the basic political categories and terms? I'm glad > that you dispute him. I'm glad you put textual evidence on the record > against him. Anything that seems like nonsense should be challenged, > especially in a place like this. But I'd like to suggest that this task > would be more fun for you if you just make a mental note to yourself. That > note says, "Platt is unpersuaded by evidence or reason." If you go in to the > debate knowing that hell will freeze over before he ever changes his mind, > it'll keep the frustration level down a bit. As I see it, anything else is > simply an unrealistic expectation. You see, on the continuum of flexibility, > just to the right of stability, there is rigidity, frozen solid, > diamond-like hardness and then there's Platt. It just ain't gonna happen. > > Thanks for the kind words about Pirsig's kind words, Arlo. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > "Communism and socialism, programs for intellectual control over > > society, were confronted by the reactionary forces of fascism, a > > program for the social control of intellect." (Pirsig) > > > > "Phaedrus thought that no other historical or political analysis > > explains the enormity of these forces as clearly as does the > > Metaphysics of Quality. The gigantic power of socialism and fascism, > > which have overwhelmed this century, is explained by a conflict of > > levels of evolution." (Pirsig) > > > > "In the United States the economic and social upheaval was not so > > great as in Europe, but Franklin Roosevelt and the New Deal, > > nevertheless, became the center of a lesser storm between social and > > intellectual forces." (Pirsig) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it > now. > > http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TXT_MLOGEN_Local_Local_Restaurants_1x1 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
