Platt to Andre: What did McDonald's ever do to you? Did you get a bad bag of French fries or something? Sounds to me that you, unlike Pirsig, are anti-free market .
Andre: Hi Platt, no, McDonalds has never done anything to me. I have been there once and have avoided it eversince. But...this is not what you are saying or asking. Look Platt, I do not have all the answers, I am certainly not anti-free market. The only thing I am trying to suggest is that DQ, as it has found itself expressed in the free market, as DQ has found itself expressed at the organic level as sex, as it found itself at the social level (similar to the free market) as celebrity, does that mean that we have to have sex as celebrities in the free market all the time? Is this the ultimate Q morality? I am sure that there is a point at which our interpretations of the MoQ will diverge but as Pirsig states very clearly, a dynamic Quality without latching is degenerative. You cannot live on DQ alone. And this is where we diverge (I think). The DQ of the free market does just that. It produces for the sake of producing. It invents for the sake of inventing. It gives information for the sake of giving information. It distributes for the sake of distributing. It feeds for the sake of feeding. It kills for the sake of killing. This is where the Giant comes in.It is a self-perpetuating monster not caring for a few bodies more or less, not caring for a few brilliant ideas more or less. It looks, takes, swallows, burps and farts, and shits, and that is the end of it. All neatly MaC packaged and laundered on the market place. Next please!!! I think that this is what Pirsig means when he says that it 'can never be contained by any intellectual formula' (LILA, p 225) and our economists and politicians are responding AFTER the events. The market is a dynamic which the politicians and economists are still trying to find out the logic of...there isn't!!! And they try to respond logically... pfhhhhhhhhh. It cannot be done! What I am trying to get at with you is that this pattern has been allowed to set off on a path of its own...without any moral considerations. DQ is without morals (or rather, it is a-moral). It is not this not that. This moral battle is being fought out at, and between the SQ patterned levels. Now, before I get carried away I simply posit for you that this free market energy is channeled to the few and wasted on the majority and that we, as SQ have a moral obligation to balance that. An MoQ attitude will show the goodness, the betterness of freedom and compassion. There are over one billion people starving on this planet! All our fucking intelligence is being used and abused by MaC economic and MaC political PoV's and this is a classic example of a lower evolutionary level dominating and subjugating (for its own gains) a higher level of evolution. In MoQ terms this is an immoral act! And I don't give a shit whose MaC it is. In this sense Bodvar's SOL makes absolute sense. Except that some here on the MoQ can go through this SOM shit and arrive at a MOQ Quality understanding. ..going through the world of forms, through to the world of formlessness and then returning to the world of forms and seeing DQ. Enough Platt. Whatever patterns you show sometimes, you are a good sport in responding the way you did. But as I know so well, this is not a guarantee for the future! Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
