Hi Marsha, Betterness indeed. Historically, I do not see things happening one individual at a time. What I see are movements, kind of like tides. It is as though there are forces underneath from which human behavior arrises. Kind of like the shapes which hedges take when left unattended. It is perhaps true that at its essence each individual comprises the whole by his/her individual action, but much of this is lost to me when looking at human endeavor as a whole. I do not believe that much of how we act is within our control.
Taoism is akin to Quality in that it describes a feeling of an innate powerful expression. Most of what I know comes from reading various translations of Tao Te Ching, and Chuang Tsu (sp?). It does not necessarily expound purpose, but flux. It is similar to Buddhism which arose at about the same time, in that humility and non-action is much more difficult, but more satisfying. It can be read at first kind of like a riddle, but it makes more and more sense as understanding develops. The Tao is like Quality, but without direction. I'm sure what I say is not the Wiki interpretation, but it is mine. Cheers, Mark On Dec 6, 2009, at 12:35:03 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: From: MarshaV <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost Date: December 6, 2009 12:35:03 AM PST To: [email protected] Hi Mark, Betterness in the world can be increased by 'heart, head and hand',,, 'one individual at a time'. Also understanding the nature of all patterns is helpful, like Buddhism's conventional reality, it is illusion, not this/not that, nothing there to grasp. This is not yet effortless, but seems the right direction. I know very little of Taoism; in what way do you find it much easier? Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of markhsmit Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 1:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost Hi Marsh, My question too. This is one of the issues I have with Quality. Taoism is much easier. Cluster of patterns or not, my world sure is fun. Mark On Dec 5, 2009, at 12:58:25 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: From: MarshaV <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost Date: December 5, 2009 12:58:25 PM PST To: [email protected] Hi Mark, You and the your world are a cluster of patterns. So how does a better world evolve? Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of markhsmit Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 3:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost A while back I put an inquiry out concerning MoQ and its usefulness. I see Quality being used to justify human behavior. Any side can use the metaphysics of Quality to support their argument. Quality seems to be intimately tied to human behavior, since it is our moment to moment growth through choices based on betterness. I too have invoked Quality to oppose extreme environmentalism. So Quality does have its uses in the political arena. Is this a true use of Quality as it is understood? We are all fraught with opinions. For or against. complacent or aghast, believing and criticizing. This is Quality at work in the human conundrum. Over the last 6,000 years of recorded history, one thing stands out for me. Man was always at war. Dominion seems to be an attribute that we were endowed with. This is true for only for a small portion of the population, but it is those who direct the historical events. Of course, little of the rest is written about, since we are fascinated by such struggle. So Quality has expressed itself in such a way. Quality is also characterized by levels, each having dominion over the one before, or so it seems. MoQ arose from the human mind, so it is not coincidental that its attributes are characterized hierarchically. So my question is: Can MoQ be used for world peace? Can it change man's nature? If Reason is the answer, who's reason is right? Man's fight against man is here to stay. The question is, how do we use it for betterness? The quintessential icon of US expansion is the MaC. Those who think the US is doing the wrong thing overseas see it as a demon. Those who think the US is doing the right thing see it as a dove. I see it as a restaurant where people can go to to eat. On Dec 4, 2009, at 7:15:59 AM, "Andre Broersen" <[email protected]> wrote: From: "Andre Broersen" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost Date: December 4, 2009 7:15:59 AM PST To: [email protected] John: Can anyone tell me one good reason we are increasing troops to Afghanistan? Andre: Yes John, I can... guided and abetted by Platt who says: On the other hand, I'm sick and tired of people vilifying the United States for defending the MOQ's intellectual level (democracy, freedom of the press, of speech, of religion, of assembly, of travel, trial by jury, habeas corpus ) from those who proactively seek to destroy such human rights. This comes thus about:(also inspired by Platt): No, conservatives favor social, economic and political freedom which is DQ's catalyst. Put these two together John and you'll find that this is the continuation of a conservative crusade to install MaC Tao as catalyst in Afghanistan, the same as has been done in Iraq, Vietnam, Chile,Argentina,Bolivia, Mexico,Korea,Peru...you name it. So that people there can reap the freedom benefits of MaC breakfast, MaC lunch and MaC diner. Buy their MaC houses and be committed to their MaC mortgages for the next 30 odd years, so they can drive Mac cars,and listen and watch Mac Fox News ( for they have always been given the wrong, evil information), So they may be seeing the MaC light and convert,en masse,to the MaC God who has been waiting for the installment of the MaC intellectual level which is going to show them MaC paradise. And, whilst in in search of this paradise they will have many MaC children who will pay homage to the MaC freedom given to them by the MaC insights of their MaC social level parents and from then on pay tribute to their MaC flag. And all the MaC children will whisper 'I love you' to every MaC they see for the rest of their MaC days. John: I'm angry too. Marsha: It's disgusting! Andre: My children, you obviously haven't seen the MaC light or been endowed with the MaC intellectual level. Platt says the MoQ and Pirsig want it thus. And who can argue with Platt? Any alternative to the conservative MaC Tao crusade is blasphemy. Any questioning of the MaC Tao crusade is blasphemous therefore: you two are ungrateful, ignorant, lefty blasphemes! Humbly yours Andre Ps: I'll bet a 'heavy' US political delegation will visit the Dutch government and push as hell for the continuation of 'our' mission. Ps1 And it has absolutely nothing to do with the oil pipeline! No, that's lefty bull shit stuff. 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