Hi Joe and Ham [Joe] > I cannot define myself, and I know I exist. Not everything I know > is definable. Movement does not rely on a definition for existence. > The act of a being that can with the emphasis on can. Movement > depends on what you are looking at. [Ham]
I disagree that "not everything [you] know is definable". Empirical knowledge is by definition definable. If existence is the relational system in which objects are perceived to evolve in time and space, does this not define movement and change? Doesn't the subjective awareness that apprehends your being in the world define "your self"? Likewise, what you don't know can be defined as that about which you are ignorant or not informed. [Mark] Definitions put the context of something into a relational context. Things are defined by words, which in turn are used to define that which they are defining. So definitions only go so far. The content of knowing in this sense is only relational. I know something because I can relate it to something else. In my opinion, "knowing" is beyond the intellect (definition: a mechanistic method for relationships). Such knowing happens through something deeper. If we feel we know something, what we are saying is that the words, actions, and logic make us feel content. When one changes his mind, it is not because of logic, but because it feels better. Illumination happens when the glow of emotional attachment grows stronger. So, while it may be possible to "define" things in relation to other things, such definition may appear to be inadequate to a third party. Knowing through definitions is quite different from Knowing. One can know beauty, but not be able to define it. In fact, I would go so far as to say that greater than 90% of what we Know, we cannot define. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
