On Dec 19, 2009, at 10:31 AM, John Carl wrote:
> seasoned greetings Marsha m'dear, > > >> By 'conscious of Quality' I mean awareness. > > > > Tricky things, these words we use. "conscious of" as opposed to "awareness" > - but not "awareness of" means that Quality is the object of consciousness > but not of awareness? I guess i could step back now and let you untangle > that for me, but it seems beside the point. Mine, anyway; which is the > fundamental basis of reality being a sort of "right way of stroking the > cat's fur" that I don't feel a lot of concordance upon. Reality is what ever you think it to be. Whatcha thinking? >> Awareness is a good thing. Patterns are patterns, they are here and gone, >> here and gone, here and gone. Awareness is more than just words, and I find >> dwelling in awareness an improvement, not utopia, but an improvement. >> > > for me, I often prefer oblivion. Sleep. Drugs. Alcohol or the small > death of knowing that comes when I do. Sometimes, for me anyway, awareness > is just a big drag. So much sorrow, so much sadness and so much wrong. > It's more fun being stupid, ignorant and blind, I swear. Maybe sometimes > its better to be aware, but not often. So much... Do you really think the patterns that you project onto the world are the actual world? Am I talking to a god? Where did these gloom and doom patterns come from? Not TV, you don't have one of those, but where? Whose interpretation? What do you really know? >> It can be a time of year with too many expectations demanding attention. >> The expectations are just patterns too. The crap we are in is a cluster of >> patterns. > > > > Why is there so much joyous recognition in my soul over this gloomy > misanthropic sneer at all the who's down in whoville who like christmas a > lot? Why when Ebenezer goes "bah humbug" I go, "hell ya!" deep down inside? > If it's just a bad response on my part, then why the artistic creations > which objectify it for me and offer it on display? Somebody somewhere knows > what I'm talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWttTsSCUwI&feature=related >> I like to celebrate Yule by stringing cranberries, popcorn and sunflower >> seeds on a tree for the birds. And Yule represents the rebirth of the sun; >> the days start to get longer. >> >> > > I haven't always been tuned to the phases of the moon, but I do know and > honor my solstices. I was hoping that some sort of week-long Native > ceremony would be my excuse to avoid Christmas this year but it looks like > they're holding it to just this weekend in order to avoid conflicting with > people's work schedules. I celebrate Yule, and last night made for my four black cats toys filled with catnip, quality toys filled with catnip. What fun! Marsha >> >> >> On Dec 17, 2009, at 12:39 PM, John Carl wrote: >> >>> Salutations Marsha, >>> >>> >>>> Here are the words of one Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj: >>>> >>>> "Causes and results are infinite in number and variety. Everything >> affects >>>> everything. In this universe, when one thing changes, everything >> changes. >>>> Hence the great power of man in changing the world by changing himself." >>> >>> >>> >>> Man changing himself sounds as likely as a babe changing its own diapers. >>> Can a leopard change its spots? And what is change? Change in patterned >>> and unpatterned Quality is continuous and illusory, both at once. If >>> anything is illusory, it is this thing called "change". >>> >>> >>> >>>> , of course, I think patterns, not things. But this is how I tend to >> see >>>> improvement in the world happening by Quality decisions. How does one >> make >>>> quality decisions? By consciously being Quality. >>>> >>>> >>> You seem to think Quality is a good thing, but most people on this forum >>> attribute no intrinsic goodness to Quality. That's too idealistic. >>> >>> Improvement? What is improvement? Why does the world need to improve? >> Why >>> does a man need to consciously be Quality? What does that even mean? >>> Nobody knows. Everything we do and say and share is just words meant to >>> make us feel better about the crap we are in. >>> >>> Maybe I should just go sit on a hot stove for a while till my butt burns. >>> Then I can knowingly make a Quality decision to get off and improve the >>> world that way. Nothing much else seems to lead anywhere meaningful. >>> >>> Sigh. >>> >>> Sorry. >>> >>> I am in a mood. I should probably not inflict it upon others. >>> >>> That would probably help the world. >>> >>> John the misanthropic cheese >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> _____________ >> >> Shoot for the moon. 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