On Dec 27, 2009, at 10:56 PM, John Carl wrote: > Marsha, > > Does not the perceptual patterning of a valuating aagent presuppose any > experience?
There is Quality(unpatterned experience and patterned experience). > > Whatever you call it, it has to fit within this biological matrix or it > doesn't (as far as I can see) Some patterned experience fit within the biological level of the MoQ. > > exist. > > John > > > > On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:31 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Dec 27, 2009, at 3:35 PM, John Carl wrote: >> >>> >>> But "unpatterened experience" is far worse because its a >>>>> philosophical self-contradiction. >>>>> >>>>> A metaphysics no-no. >>>> >>>> Marsha: >>>> Is it a philosophical self-contradiction in the same way as seeing >> orange >>>> or blue? If not, than how is it a philosophical self-contradiction? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> It's a contradiction because experience is a patterning. Thus you can't >>> have "unpatterned patterning" in a philosophically logical way. Not >> unless >>> you want to do some explaining of yourself young lady! >>> >> >> >> >> John, >> >> Quality is unpatterned experience and patterned experience, so no, >> experience is not necessarily >> patterned; that can be realized first-hand. Experience often involves >> patterns, but sometimes >> it does not involve patterns. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ _______________________________________________________________________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
