Good morning Marsha, John earlier:
> Experience can't be what you describe, either unpatterned or without > > staticity. The very defining of experience requires a static pattern in > > order to be experienced. The idea of "before" is itself a static pattern > of > > existence relative to time and obviates the pure nullity you postulate, > imo. > > Marsha: > I did not define unpatterned experience because such an experience cannot > be bound by words, and I certainly did not use the word 'before'. Well you don't have to use the word if you imply it, and otherwise it seems sorta nonsensical, so I do some construing there. This could be quite a challenge, dialectically speaking, you say something that doesn't make sense to me, and I say to you , that doesn't make sense to me and then you reply it's not supposed to make sense because its impossible to make sense. To which I reply, "oh. Ok." But "unpatterened experience" is far worse because its a > > philosophical self-contradiction. > > > > A metaphysics no-no. > > Marsha: > Is it a philosophical self-contradiction in the same way as seeing orange > or blue? If not, than how is it a philosophical self-contradiction? > > > It's a contradiction because experience is a patterning. Thus you can't have "unpatterned patterning" in a philosophically logical way. Not unless you want to do some explaining of yourself young lady! > > But if you think the words you use are false, then I have to wonder why > you > > use them? > > Marsha: > Words are static patterns of value. Value has me. > > Ah, well that clears it up nicely. > > Isn't the idea of words that we use them for truth? > > Marsha: > Value creates 'we'. > > Only if it's in the mood. > > > > > I mean, we know when we shoot for the moon we'll miss, but at least it > > provides a big fat aim point. > > > Marsha: > Experience is experience is experience. > > Succinctly, redundantly tautological. Catchy, but nonsensical. I can hum the tune, but I doubt anybody'd dance to it. Try taking some lessons from Ron. John, tapping his toes. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
