Greetings John,
> Marsha, Marsha, > > You say: > > >> Unpatterned experience is direct experience without static patterns of >> value. > > > And right there, I have to quibble with you. > > I don't want to, but I have to. > > Experience can't be what you describe, either unpatterned or without > staticity. The very defining of experience requires a static pattern in > order to be experienced. The idea of "before" is itself a static pattern of > existence relative to time and obviates the pure nullity you postulate, imo. Marsha: I did not define unpatterned experience because such an experience cannot be bound by words, and I certainly did not use the word 'before'. >> You do >> no like my use of 'unpatterned experience', you say to hear the term gives >> you gas, >> but I remember you didn't like my definition of the self either. Both self >> and >> unpatterned experience cannot be bound by words, so I grant you that the >> words >> I use to refer to either are false. >> > > > Well you can't exactly equate the two dislikes. I didn't like your > definition of self because it was unwieldy, kludgish and hard to whip out > when needed. But "unpatterened experience" is far worse because its a > philosophical self-contradiction. > > A metaphysics no-no. Marsha: Is it a philosophical self-contradiction in the same way as seeing orange or blue? If not, than how is it a philosophical self-contradiction? > > But if you think the words you use are false, then I have to wonder why you > use them? Marsha: Words are static patterns of value. Value has me. > Isn't the idea of words that we use them for truth? Marsha: Value creates 'we'. > > I mean, we know when we shoot for the moon we'll miss, but at least it > provides a big fat aim point. Marsha: Experience is experience is experience. Marsha _______________________________________________________________________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
