Mark (Bruce mentioned),
It seems for you, Mark, that the loss of God is low value, although I might question how much discomfort is 'some discomfort'. My definition of an atheist is: Atheists are people who believe that god or gods (or other supernatural beings) are man-made constructs, myths and legends or who believe that these concepts are not meaningful. I do not find the disappointment that Bruce suggested was mandatory for atheists. Marsha On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:35 PM, markhsmit wrote: > For me Quality equals God, so I can't drop the term without some discomfort. > > Mark > > "The MOQ would add a fourth stage where the term "God" is completely dropped > as a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and Dynamic freedom. > The MOQ is not just atheistic in this regard. It is anti-theistic." > (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) > > > > > > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Bruce Underwood wrote: > >> >> >> Hello all, I hope that you don't mind me jumping in on this thread, but here >> it goes. >> >> Science: Science, in my opinion, ask a separate question than religion. >> Science asks,"how" and religion asks "why". However,one thing that folks >> want to do is to make science into a belief. IMO, science in merely a method >> devised at the intellectual level to ask "how" things are made, work, >> operate, etc. Science is not something to believe in, but a set of tool to >> explore. That said,it has become the "church of science",as Pirsig puts it, >> and has become something that people worship. >> >> Religion: Religion, on the other hand, firstly, attempts to look beyond the >> now into unknown world of "why", but where its rudderless obsessions of >> control, combined with ignorance, along with the thought "that man can know >> the mind of God" has placed it in categories of distrust and hypocrisy. >> Regardless of the fairy tales that have been created over the millennium, >> there exists the unknown that moves and organize things against the laws of >> nature. In MoQ we call it Dynamic Quality. The thing is, MoQ, at least, >> provides the possibilty, with argument, for "God" to exist by whatever name >> you want to give it. The purpose of religion should be to move life forward >> and to give man hope. Where faith comes in is in the hope that there is more >> to life than existance; I believe MoQ does that. >> >> The section below is from chapter 11 of Lila. >> >> "Thermodynamics states that all energy systems "run down" like a clock and >> never rewind themselves. But life not only "runs up," converting low >> energy sea-water, sunlight and air into high-energy chemicals, it keeps >> multiplying itself into more and better clocks that keep "running up" >> faster and faster. >> Why, for example, should a group of simple, stable compounds of carbon, >> hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen struggle for billions of years to organize >> themselves into a professor of chemistry? What's the motive?... >> >> The question is: Then why does nature reverse this process? What on earth >> causes the inorganic compounds to go the other way? It isn't the sun's >> energy. We just saw what the sun's energy did. It has to be something >> else. What is it?... Dynamic Quality" >> >> Theist, Agnostic, Atheist: IMO, the only person without faith is the >> agnostic that does not search for the "truth". However, the one who searches >> for truth will always be disappointed as a theist or atheist unless he >> accepts the lies in either camp. The truth is somewhere in the middle and is >> found in the journey itself. MoQ is the closet thing that points to the >> truth that I have found. >> >> My graphical representation of this found on slide 20 of the ppt deck that I >> provided a couple of weeks back. Here is the link: >> http://www.thinnerself.com/files/MoQ/lila-6a.ppt >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bruce >> _______________________________________________________________________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
