Marsha, What's your definition of an anti-theist?
John On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:08 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mark (Bruce mentioned), > > > It seems for you, Mark, that the loss of God is low value, although I might > question how much discomfort is 'some discomfort'. My definition of an > atheist is: Atheists are people who believe that god or gods (or other > supernatural beings) are man-made constructs, myths and legends or > who believe that these concepts are not meaningful. I do not find the > disappointment that Bruce suggested was mandatory for atheists. > > > Marsha > > > > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:35 PM, markhsmit wrote: > > > For me Quality equals God, so I can't drop the term without some > discomfort. > > > > Mark > > > > "The MOQ would add a fourth stage where the term "God" is completely > dropped as a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and Dynamic > freedom. The MOQ is not just atheistic in this regard. It is anti-theistic." > > (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Bruce Underwood wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hello all, I hope that you don't mind me jumping in on this thread, but > here it goes. > >> > >> Science: Science, in my opinion, ask a separate question than religion. > Science asks,"how" and religion asks "why". However,one thing that folks > want to do is to make science into a belief. IMO, science in merely a method > devised at the intellectual level to ask "how" things are made, work, > operate, etc. Science is not something to believe in, but a set of tool to > explore. That said,it has become the "church of science",as Pirsig puts it, > and has become something that people worship. > >> > >> Religion: Religion, on the other hand, firstly, attempts to look beyond > the now into unknown world of "why", but where its rudderless obsessions of > control, combined with ignorance, along with the thought "that man can know > the mind of God" has placed it in categories of distrust and hypocrisy. > Regardless of the fairy tales that have been created over the millennium, > there exists the unknown that moves and organize things against the laws of > nature. In MoQ we call it Dynamic Quality. The thing is, MoQ, at least, > provides the possibilty, with argument, for "God" to exist by whatever name > you want to give it. The purpose of religion should be to move life forward > and to give man hope. Where faith comes in is in the hope that there is more > to life than existance; I believe MoQ does that. > >> > >> The section below is from chapter 11 of Lila. > >> > >> "Thermodynamics states that all energy systems "run down" like a clock > and > >> never rewind themselves. But life not only "runs up," converting low > >> energy sea-water, sunlight and air into high-energy chemicals, it keeps > >> multiplying itself into more and better clocks that keep "running up" > >> faster and faster. > >> Why, for example, should a group of simple, stable compounds of carbon, > >> hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen struggle for billions of years to organize > >> themselves into a professor of chemistry? What's the motive?... > >> > >> The question is: Then why does nature reverse this process? What on > earth > >> causes the inorganic compounds to go the other way? It isn't the sun's > >> energy. We just saw what the sun's energy did. It has to be something > >> else. What is it?... Dynamic Quality" > >> > >> Theist, Agnostic, Atheist: IMO, the only person without faith is the > agnostic that does not search for the "truth". However, the one who searches > for truth will always be disappointed as a theist or atheist unless he > accepts the lies in either camp. The truth is somewhere in the middle and is > found in the journey itself. MoQ is the closet thing that points to the > truth that I have found. > >> > >> My graphical representation of this found on slide 20 of the ppt deck > that I provided a couple of weeks back. Here is the link: > >> http://www.thinnerself.com/files/MoQ/lila-6a.ppt > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Bruce > >> > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
