John, I'm not a religious person and have no idea what a religious experience would be.
For weeks it felt like something was going to happen, like my mind was squinting, or something, and then it happened. It was visual. I was seeing but their were no thoughts in my head, but I was aware. It was seeing, but not seeing anything. It lasted about 5 minutes, no less, but I don't know for sure. I was flabbergasted because it was so obvious. OMG, unpatterned experience!!! Or, OMG I was totally aware without thinking. And then I began not to believe my own experience, so I did on my own. Naturally, I was excited. The next day I did it again of my own volition. I was overjoyed, of course. It was wonderful. It was amazing. I tried it again about a week later, and made it happen, but I haven't tried it since, which is sad. Life interfered, or more probably I'm lazy and ungrateful. But it was "real". Yet it's no big deal; it's what naturally happens. I guess. Oh, I don't know; I don't know anything. I do not often enough sit in meditation, but do try to keep a mindfulness throughout my day. I think there is a relationship, but I'm guessing. I had a very formal meditation practice for a few years and was able to watch my thoughts. I have no trouble saying that's watching patterns flicker through mind, and that is why I go on about Quality (unpatterned experience and patterned experience); both have been experienced. Maybe you'll think I have just described indigestion. Maybe if I hadn't had such experiences I'd think the same thing. unMarsha On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:58 PM, John Carl wrote: > sounds almost like a religious experience Marsha. Did it feel that way? > > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:26 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hi John, >> >> I was teasing. It never happened while I was formally >> meditating. I don't know why or how it happened, but >> it did. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:21 PM, MarshaV wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> John, >>> >>> Yes, the 'idea' would be a pattern, but an experience >>> need not be patterned. Instead of tenderness, try a >>> little meditation. Or, you once offered to hit me on the >>> back of the head with a 2x4, may I offer to do the same >>> to you. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:03 PM, John Carl wrote: >>> >>>> Do you mean I'd find unpatterned experience in Jane Austen? I've read a >>>> couple of hers, and I have no idea what would qualify. >>>> >>>> In fact, the very idea that anything could qualify as unpatterned, is a >>>> pattern. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'm just too metaphysically picky. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:16 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:04 PM, John Carl wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There's no such thing as >>>>>> "un-patterned experience" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John, >>>>> >>>>> There are such experiences, but not for you. And I'm sure it >>>>> is being studied as a attribute of meditation.. I bet you might >>>>> find something in books by James Austin. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Shoot for the moon. 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