xacto, Oh what the heck, if you can't be honest enough to risk your credibility now and then, why bother to speak? I accept your duh.
Marsha On Jan 26, 2010, at 10:21 PM, X Acto wrote: > Duh > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 3:04:40 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Intellect's Symposium > > > John, > > I'm not a religious person and have no idea what a religious experience would > be. > > For weeks it felt like something was going to happen, like my mind was > squinting, or something, and then it happened. It was visual. I was seeing > but their were no thoughts in my head, but I was aware. It was seeing, but > not seeing anything. It lasted about 5 minutes, no less, but I don't know > for sure. I was flabbergasted because it was so obvious. OMG, unpatterned > experience!!! Or, OMG I was totally aware without thinking. And then I > began not to believe my own experience, so I did on my own. Naturally, I was > excited. The next day I did it again of my own volition. I was overjoyed, > of course. It was wonderful. It was amazing. I tried it again about a week > later, and made it happen, but I haven't tried it since, which is sad. Life > interfered, or more probably I'm lazy and ungrateful. But it was "real". > Yet it's no big deal; it's what naturally happens. I guess. Oh, I don't > know; I don't know anything. > > I do not often enough sit in meditation, but do try to keep a mindfulness > throughout my day. I think there is a relationship, but I'm guessing. I had > a very formal meditation practice for a few years and was able to watch my > thoughts. I have no trouble saying that's watching patterns flicker through > mind, and that is why I go on about Quality (unpatterned experience and > patterned experience); both have been experienced. > > Maybe you'll think I have just described indigestion. Maybe if I hadn't had > such experiences I'd think the same thing. > > > unMarsha > > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:58 PM, John Carl wrote: > >> sounds almost like a religious experience Marsha. Did it feel that way? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:26 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> I was teasing. It never happened while I was formally >>> meditating. I don't know why or how it happened, but >>> it did. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:21 PM, MarshaV wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John, >>>> >>>> Yes, the 'idea' would be a pattern, but an experience >>>> need not be patterned. Instead of tenderness, try a >>>> little meditation. Or, you once offered to hit me on the >>>> back of the head with a 2x4, may I offer to do the same >>>> to you. >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:03 PM, John Carl wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do you mean I'd find unpatterned experience in Jane Austen? I've read a >>>>> couple of hers, and I have no idea what would qualify. >>>>> >>>>> In fact, the very idea that anything could qualify as unpatterned, is a >>>>> pattern. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I'm just too metaphysically picky. >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:16 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:04 PM, John Carl wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There's no such thing as >>>>>>> "un-patterned experience" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> >>>>>> There are such experiences, but not for you. And I'm sure it >>>>>> is being studied as a attribute of meditation.. I bet you might >>>>>> find something in books by James Austin. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Shoot for the moon. 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