Hi John, I said my train of thoughts went straight to oblivion, not my awareness. It was interesting.
I like patterns, John, especially Bach and Haydn on my iPod. Marsha On Jan 26, 2010, at 7:57 PM, John Carl wrote: > And back to the issue, How is oblivious experience at all preferable or > reccomendable over awareness? > > Pragmatic John > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:21 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> How about this? I pulled a switch and instead of going through awareness, >> the train of thoughts went straight to oblivion. >> >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:04 AM, MarshaV wrote: >> >>> >>> John, >>> >>> I'm not a religious person and have no idea what a religious experience >> would be. >>> >>> For weeks it felt like something was going to happen, like my mind was >> squinting, or something, and then it happened. It was visual. I was seeing >> but their were no thoughts in my head, but I was aware. It was seeing, but >> not seeing anything. It lasted about 5 minutes, no less, but I don't know >> for sure. I was flabbergasted because it was so obvious. OMG, unpatterned >> experience!!! Or, OMG I was totally aware without thinking. And then I >> began not to believe my own experience, so I did on my own. Naturally, I >> was excited. The next day I did it again of my own volition. I was >> overjoyed, of course. It was wonderful. It was amazing. I tried it again >> about a week later, and made it happen, but I haven't tried it since, which >> is sad. Life interfered, or more probably I'm lazy and ungrateful. But it >> was "real". Yet it's no big deal; it's what naturally happens. I guess. >> Oh, I don't know; I don't know anything. >>> >>> I do not often enough sit in meditation, but do try to keep a mindfulness >> throughout my day. I think there is a relationship, but I'm guessing. I >> had a very formal meditation practice for a few years and was able to watch >> my thoughts. I have no trouble saying that's watching patterns flicker >> through mind, and that is why I go on about Quality (unpatterned experience >> and patterned experience); both have been experienced. >>> >>> Maybe you'll think I have just described indigestion. Maybe if I hadn't >> had such experiences I'd think the same thing. >>> >>> >>> unMarsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:58 PM, John Carl wrote: >>> >>>> sounds almost like a religious experience Marsha. Did it feel that way? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:26 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi John, >>>>> >>>>> I was teasing. It never happened while I was formally >>>>> meditating. I don't know why or how it happened, but >>>>> it did. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:21 PM, MarshaV wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, the 'idea' would be a pattern, but an experience >>>>>> need not be patterned. Instead of tenderness, try a >>>>>> little meditation. Or, you once offered to hit me on the >>>>>> back of the head with a 2x4, may I offer to do the same >>>>>> to you. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:03 PM, John Carl wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you mean I'd find unpatterned experience in Jane Austen? I've >> read a >>>>>>> couple of hers, and I have no idea what would qualify. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In fact, the very idea that anything could qualify as unpatterned, is >> a >>>>>>> pattern. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe I'm just too metaphysically picky. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:16 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:04 PM, John Carl wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There's no such thing as >>>>>>>>> "un-patterned experience" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are such experiences, but not for you. And I'm sure it >>>>>>>> is being studied as a attribute of meditation.. I bet you might >>>>>>>> find something in books by James Austin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shoot for the moon. 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