Marsha, I have an inkling of what you are talking about since I get something similar. Sometimes I can induce it if I remember the feeling. This feeling is one of extreme clarity and extreme relief and joy. If I do not question it, it can last. However, I do not feel like doing much else at that point except staring at things. Perhaps its a state of mind as you suggest, that is no thoughts just awareness. However, not that I am religious or anything, but I feel like everything makes sense even though I'm not really thinking. Like you say, it is not something I chase like a drink or drug, but something that I know is there.
OK so much for my idiosyncrasies, back to figuring IT out... Mark xacto, Oh what the heck, if you can't be honest enough to risk your credibility now and then, why bother to speak? I accept your duh. Marsha On Jan 26, 2010, at 10:21 PM, X Acto wrote: > Duh > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 3:04:40 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Intellect's Symposium > > > John, > > I'm not a religious person and have no idea what a religious experience would > be. > > For weeks it felt like something was going to happen, like my mind was > squinting, or something, and then it happened. It was visual. I was seeing > but their were no thoughts in my head, but I was aware. It was seeing, but > not seeing anything. It lasted about 5 minutes, no less, but I don't know for > sure. I was flabbergasted because it was so obvious. OMG, unpatterned > experience!!! Or, OMG I was totally aware without thinking. And then I began > not to believe my own experience, so I did on my own. Naturally, I was > excited. The next day I did it again of my own volition. I was overjoyed, of > course. It was wonderful. It was amazing. I tried it again about a week > later, and made it happen, but I haven't tried it since, which is sad. Life > interfered, or more probably I'm lazy and ungrateful. But it was "real". Yet > it's no big deal; it's what naturally happens. I guess. Oh, I don't know; I > don't know anything. > > I do not often enough sit in meditation, but do try to keep a mindfulness > throughout my day. I think there is a relationship, but I'm guessing. I had a > very formal meditation practice for a few years and was able to watch my > thoughts. I have no trouble saying that's watching patterns flicker through > mind, and that is why I go on about Quality (unpatterned experience and > patterned experience); both have been experienced. > > Maybe you'll think I have just described indigestion. Maybe if I hadn't had > such experiences I'd think the same thing. > > > unMarsha > > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:58 PM, John Carl wrote: > >> sounds almost like a religious experience Marsha. Did it feel that way? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:26 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> I was teasing. It never happened while I was formally >>> meditating. I don't know why or how it happened, but >>> it did. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:21 PM, MarshaV wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John, >>>> >>>> Yes, the 'idea' would be a pattern, but an experience >>>> need not be patterned. Instead of tenderness, try a >>>> little meditation. Or, you once offered to hit me on the >>>> back of the head with a 2x4, may I offer to do the same >>>> to you. >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:03 PM, John Carl wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do you mean I'd find unpatterned experience in Jane Austen? I've read a >>>>> couple of hers, and I have no idea what would qualify. >>>>> >>>>> In fact, the very idea that anything could qualify as unpatterned, is a >>>>> pattern. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I'm just too metaphysically picky. >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:16 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:04 PM, John Carl wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There's no such thing as >>>>>>> "un-patterned experience" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> >>>>>> There are such experiences, but not for you. And I'm sure it >>>>>> is being studied as a attribute of meditation.. I bet you might >>>>>> find something in books by James Austin. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Shoot for the moon. 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