Hi Bruce, This is similar, imo, to what we have been discussing in terms of Quality reversing a theory of thermodynamics. I prefer to not use the term Chaos, because even that can be modeled and form predictions. I prefer the terms disorder to order. Entropy increase is thought to be the direction of time. However, there is no reason why we couldn't use Quality as time's direction.
I do not think that energy consumption is necessary, unless Quality lies within another system, such as life does within the sun's (entropic) rays. Perhaps Quality is always constant, that is for every increase in Quality there is an equal decrease. Perhaps Quality increases in a zig-zag fashion, there is no telling if we are on the upswing or downswing right now. If one uses calculus, one can interconvert DQ with SQ, in the same way that speed and acceleration can be interconverted. I am hoping somebody will come up with the equation sometime (Einstein, where have you gone?). I believe there are many ways to understand Quality, all that is required is consistency in the argument. But, it may also be possible to understand Quality through inconsistency and contradiction in argument. Logic can only take us so far, then we have to rely on our other faculties. Thanks for the post, Mark On Feb 2, 2010, at 2:51:19 PM, "Bruce Underwood" <[email protected]> wrote: From: "Bruce Underwood" <[email protected]> Subject: [MD] Stasis, Delcination or Improvement of Quality Date: February 2, 2010 2:51:19 PM PST To: "MOQ Discuss" <[email protected]> Hello Folks, I have been wrestling with this idea for a while and thought I would throw it out here for comments and banter. I hope to do better about responding, but it is hard to find the time to respond as I would like to. The idea here started off by thinking of what "Static" means and applying that to three areas: Stasis, declination and improvement. As many of you have seen, I think that Chaos is the state where something has declined from organization to an absolute state of disorganization and is thus the opposite of Quality. However,energy still exists, but in a disorganized state. Dynamic Quality will continue to affect the energy. I see things as energy either moving towards improved organization or moving towards chaotic disorder. Below is a link to an image that depicts what I have been thinking about. You may want to think of it as life as you view it or most any item that is static. http://www.thinnerself.com/quality_of_improvement.gif I was thinking about this and came to think of "Quality" as being in one of three states “Quality” states: Static Quality: Static Quality attempts to maintain the status over time. Static Quality?s position is to neither improve nor decay, but to maintain status quo. However, from an energy stand point, Static Quality must consume energy in order to maintain its position to not be consumed by Dynamic Quality of Chaos or Dynamic Quality of Improvement. By default then it would appear that Static Quality is a destructive force by nature as it consumes energy to remain static. Dynamic Quality of improvement: Its mission is to improve Quality over time by destruction and construction and to establish ratchet points of Quality. By nature, it consumes energy to move forward towards in a positive direction over time. Dynamic Quality of declination: It mission is to diminishes or decay Quality over time. Items move towards chaos and are being consumed in destruction. The only state of "true Static Quality" is a state of total disorganization of energy into a chaotic state. Thanks for your thoughts and responses, Bruce _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
