John, Seems to me the reason the social level developed was for individuals to come together with their collective spovs (conventional truths) and determine the best laws for governing the community. Hopefully they would do that with the seventh generation in mind and a large dose of humility knowing that their collective judgments are based on patterns of value not absolute truth.
Marsha On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:00 PM, John Carl wrote: > "Judge not lest ye be judged" means don't dish it out if you can't take it. > If you can stand being judged, then go ahead. > > What I always wondered at is that nobody uses this aphorism sincerely. For > instance, if you said to me, "John, you seem like a really good guy." Why > then do I never reply, "Judge not"? For it is equally judgeing if we deem > somebody good as well as bad. But the only time the "judgement" objection > is raised, is when the judgement is negative. > > After a while, judgement itself is despised, and Quality, the focus of > judgement, goes out the window as well. > > If I'm ok and you're ok and everybody is ok, then nothing is ok. It's all > equal, all valueless. > > > John > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 1 Feb 2010 at 18:16, MarshaV wrote: >> >>> >>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:53 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> On 1 Feb 2010 at 11:46, MarshaV wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Steven Peterson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Marsha, >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This didn't answer the question, but did put words in my mouth >>>>>>> that were not said. >>>>> >>>>>>> Sjteve: >>>>>>> I don't mean to put words in your mouth. I was referring to this: >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha previously: >>>>>> Would you gentlemen explain how if context and history are key >> factors in >>>>>> determining truth (conventional), why can it not be said that truth >>>>>> (conventional) is relative to context and history? It seems obvious: >> truth >>>>>> (conventional) is relative. >>>>> >>>>> Marsha: >>>>> You made no reference to my post of Jan 30, 2010, at 1:43 AM.; how was >> I >>>>> to guess? I do not agree that the charge of relativism should be >> considered >>>>> an extreme. One can assume it is an extreme, of course, but on what >> basis? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> Hi Marsha, >>>> >>>> It's extremely incoherent to assert as true that truth is relative. >> But, in >>>> this day and age, incoherence is often celebrated, as pronouncements >>>> by progressives (we can spend our way to prosperity) and "modern" art >>>> paintings attest. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Platt, >>> >>> I said static (conventional) truth is relative. Is knowledge anything >> other that static patterns of value? Absolute truth is beyond my >> comprehension. - Incoherent to whom, and how is it determined? Would it >> be incoherent to Aristotle (the Law of Non-Contradiciton, or the Law of the >> Excluded Middle)? Where is it stated as a incoherence within the MoQ? >>> >>> >>> Marsha >> >> Hi Marsha, >> >> A statement is incoherent, i.e, nonsensical, if it contradicts itself. For >> example, the statement "There are not absolutes" contradicts itself >> because the statement purports to state an absolute truth that it says >> doesn't exist. Another classic example is "Judge not lest ye be judged" >> because it tells someone not to do what itself does. The harm in not >> recognizing self-contradictory statements comes when political leaders >> justify murdering millions "for the public good," as has happened >> repeatedly throughout history. Then "truth is relative" becomes a killer. >> >> Platt >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
