On 2/25/10 3:07 AM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Platt for bringing this quote that again affirms the SOL. > > ".....THE WAY SOM EMPLOYS SOCIAL STRUCTURES". > > See he treats SOM as the level above the social level. Ergo > SOM=Intellect. Can it be said clearer? > > "THE MOQ EMPLOYS SOM (=INTELLECT) ...." This affirms nothing but your but purposeful misinterpretation of RMP work. And you still haven't figured out that intellect is the potential, capacity, ability to invent and manipulate intellectual patterns. The intellectual level and its static patterns are the results, the product, of that work. Two entirely different animals. >[Lila pg 50] > Or, using another analogy, saying that a Metaphysics of Quality is false and a > subject-object metaphysics is true is like saying that rectangular coordinates > are true and polar coordinates are false. A map with the North Pole at the > center is confusing at first, but it's every bit as correct as a Mercator map. > In the Arctic it's the only map to have. Both are simply intellectual patterns > for interpreting reality and one can only say that in some circumstances > rectangular coordinates provide a better, simpler interpretation. Bo, how much plainer and simpler does Pirsig have to put it? "BOTH (SoM & MoQ) ARE SIMPLY INTELLECTUAL PATTERNS" This is follow in the same paragraph by: >[Lila pg 50] > Within a Metaphysics of Quality, science is A set of static intellectual > patterns. SoM, the pseudo-metaphysical intellectual pattern that was the foundation of western science, is just like science, A SET OF STATIC INTELLECTUAL PATTERNS. MoQ is another, potentially better, set. Or at least in might be if it isn't waylaid by your obstinacy. >> [Horse] >> Only in your head Bo. A metaphysics is an Intellectual Pattern of >> Value and exists quite comfortably at the Intellectual level. > > Well, if you want to reject Pirsig's correct "container logic", who am I to > stop you. > > "You can't have Box "A" contain within itself Box "B," which in > turn contains Box "A." That's whacko." (By courtesy of Pirsig) Could it possibly be that what RMP was referring to is your attempt to turn the intellectual level into SOL was the condition described above? Sounds more like it. It is indeed whacko to try and contain the intellectual pattern MoQ, that is prior to, or the source of subjects and objects, on a level that can only contains subject and objects. Relook at is carefully Bo,that is probably what he was really saying. Dave Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
