Ron said:
what does sitting on a hot stove mean to you?
Matt:
Typically, it doesn't mean anything. It's fucking hot, and
I leap off.
Which is to say: I don't like how you're using the term
"meaning" and I find it confusing and unhelpful in unpacking
Pirsig's point.
Ron said:
I think thats the common sense point Pirsig is implying, we
do'nt need to philosophize to understand it. Philososophizing
takes us from it.
Matt:
Except Pirsig kind of (but only kinda') said that _talking_
takes us from it.
Matt said:
Is it because I fear Plato, Descartes, and Kant? Sure. We
just have different judgements about whether or not this
fear is unreasonable.
Ron said:
Its unreasonable if you read them, not if you take the
tradition of misinterpretation that has become the body of
thought on to itself.
Matt:
Ah, well now, that's only if tradition was getting them
completely wrong. I tend to think that Plato and Aristotle,
for instance, were too fertile and complicated to be either
exactly one way or the other. Which is to say, tradition
picked up one thing going on in them, and played out the
consequences. But it's not so hard to "read them" and still
not be able to pin down what they exactly meant. Same
goes for Descartes and Kant. If was a simple as returning
to the original writings of people, we'd be looking at 2500
years of stupid people.
Ron said:
Well I'm not sure thats what the fuss is about..
Matt:
I tell you what: me, too. I don't really know what the fuss
is about. All I know is that ever so often I hear some
snippets of Rorty-bashing, or how Rorty and
James/Dewey/the classicals are incompatible, and it makes
my nose scrunch because I don't see why not.
Matt
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