Ron, Pardon me if I pry a little deeper into your "immediate experience."
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:16 PM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > Wait a second, you are jumping to conclusions, Not merely jumping, Ron. Bounding, leaping and striving to reach them. > I guess I should clarify that statement, you don't have to, but it's generous of you to offer and I appreciate it. > because I thought I implied immediate experience. > The part where you sit on the hot stove. It doesent need to be verified > by any one. No one needs to verify it niether do you need to persuade > any one that fuker is hot and it hurts. > > "immediate experience as opposed to just plain old experience? I need to review what you originally said that I was talking about: If one believes that truth statements are predicated on agreement then rhetoric is indeed the trump card. but If one believs that truth statements are predicated on meaning in experience then empricism trumps rhetoric, ......\\ Hmm. I hate to say it Ron, but your clarification of "immediate experience didn't really help at all. For the truth is, truth is found only in intellectual meanings. There is no "truth" to a hot stove, only intellectual formulations about hot stoves are found to hold truth values. Hot stoves hold heat values, R-values and real values in a snowy forest. But they don't hold any truth values. Have you ever tried to burn truth values to keep warm? One of my favorite scenes in any movie ever, is Bill Murray in The Razor's Edge. One of the few instances where I Love the book, AND the movie and the scene I love so much wasn't even in the book, but it was in the movie and it's where the hero sits on top of mountain in a stone hut in tibet, he's so cold, and the books on his lap are not getting through to him. He lights a fire to warm his frozen fingers from the books of wisdom that he packed to the top of this mountain, starts to cry and in that moment achieves enlightenment. So whenever I think of enlightenment, I think of Bill Murray, big grin on his face, tears streaming down. And books of wisdom warming his hands. Other than that, I've never heard of a hot stove containing truth. but hey, I'm willing to learn. John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
