On Apr 12, 2010, at 12:57 AM, Ham Priday wrote: > > Hello Mary -- > > >> The smaller the particles are that you can detect, the smaller the >> particles are that you detect - ad infinitum down the rabbit hole >> so to speak. These physicists were basically predicting the failure >> of their own discipline to be able to ever achieve the absolute >> answers it seeks. >> >> In a previous post I made this statement. What muddies the water >> between the Social Level and the Intellectual is the same thing that >> muddies it between the Social and the Biological; namely that all >> three exist thanks to Subject-Object Logic. ...We are immersed >> in it and we owe it a great debt, but is it right? Just because it is >> fundamental to biological survival, does it follow that that's the way >> the Universe really is? > > Yes...because that's what existence is. The universe is not Reality but a > relational space/time system that is only our experiential representation of > it. The inter-level "muddied water" you refer to is not experiential because > the levels are intellectual constructs (classifications of sensory data) > rather than "experience" per se. You express gratitude for "Subject-Object > Logic", but you have left the cognitive self out of this analysis. There > would be no S/O or SOL (to use Bo's term) without subjective awareness. You > owe your thanks, not to S-O logic, but to the Uncreated Source which made you > a free agent of value > > I would argue that we are immersed in the value of Essence (Absolute Reality) > which we experience as a physical universe (i.e., the world of appearances as > viewed subjectively). That these appearances constitute "objective reality" > is a subjective precept that follows experience and involves intellection on > the part of the observer. Since the form and attributes of objects are > constructed by the individual self (value-sensibility), it follows that the > remainder of what you've written is true, >
Greetings Ham, Pardon my interruption. What posits a "cognitive self" and "Uncreated Source" other than the "experiential representation" formed by this "relational space/time system", or mental ignorance? And it's this mental ignorance that creates and independent, objective reality and an independent, subjective observer or individual self. Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
