While you and your ideological soulmates ignore his indictment of intellectuals and socialism. Sounds to me like the pot calling the kettle black.
On 17 Apr 2010 at 23:29, Horse wrote: > Because you ignore everything that Pirsig says that doesn't allow you to > shoehorn you're ideological position into the MoQ. > > On 17/04/2010 23:20, [email protected] wrote: > > Boy oh boy, Platt really gets under these guys skin. Must be he exposes > > weaknesses they are desperate to hide. How else to explain their all out > > scorn? > > > > > > On 17 Apr 2010 at 17:46, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote: > > > > > >> [DMB] > >> I strongly suspect that Platt wants to equate intellect with SOM so that > >> he can > >> then take all of Pirsig's reasons for wanting to expand rationality and use > >> them to destroy rationality instead. > >> > >> [Arlo] > >> Exactly. And to do so he has to ignore half of Pirsig and distort those > >> who do > >> not. As I said to John, no one is talking about turning "Quality" into an > >> academic bon-bon, but the MOQ is a "metaphysics", an academic, > >> intellectual, > >> philosophical framework built around this pre-intellectual concept. > >> > >> As you correctly point out, where the goal should be to expand rationality > >> as > >> Pirsig intended, the goal for Platt is only to demonize academics, > >> perfessery > >> types and intellect as a whole. Why so many these days choose to champion > >> ignorance is beyond me, but it is an unmistakable trend. > >> > >> Again, the irony in all this is that it was this same anti-intellectual, > >> damn > >> the perfessers attitude that nearly cost Pirsig his job in Montana, where > >> the > >> right-wing anti-intellectuals branded him a "radical professor". I suspect > >> that > >> if Pirsig were teaching these days, he would be in the same "crosshairs". > >> > >> [Horse] > >> ... the way to think about what he says is to ask yourself the question > >> "What > >> would a typical Victorian think"! > >> > >> [Arlo] > >> Precisely. Pirsig noted this when he called the modern era a slow drift > >> back to > >> Victorianism. Where Pirsig would want to replace the "SOM intellectuals" > >> with > >> "MOQ intellectuals" (expanded rationality), Platt seeks only to demonize > >> intellect as a whole, and drift back to the dominance of the Victorians. > >> > >> [Horse] > >> Now we can sit back and wait for Platt to accuse us of of ad hominem > >> attacks > >> and/or being lefty commie pinko interleckchuals. > >> > >> [Arlo] > >> Yeah. Its just the same substance-free vitriol one hears on the talk-radio > >> airwaves. I still laugh at the fact that when Platt can't "easily > >> understand" a > >> book, it must be because the author is an arrogant elitist. I suppose its > >> "Dick > >> and Jane Visit the Pyramids" for all! > >> > >> [Horse] > >> Why is it that when Pirsig states quite categorically that both you and Bo > >> are > >> wrong about SOL - even going so far as to say that your conclusions > >> undermine > >> the MoQ - you ignore everything he says. > >> > >> [Arlo] > >> This is just part and parcel of the "bumper-sticker mentality". Why bother > >> with > >> the body of substance when a few acontextual quotes serve much better? > >> > >> [DMB] > >> Platt is essentially anti-intellectual and he reads Pirsig to serve that > >> purpose. For Platt, what Pirsig thinks is beside the point. He doesn't care > >> about that. He just thinks he found a little ammo depot in his war against > >> liberals, intellectuals, atheists or basically anybody that doesn't fit his > >> idea of a decent American. > >> > >> [Arlo] > >> Spot on. > >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > -- > > Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving > safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but to skid in sideways, > chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally > worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"... Hunter S Thompson > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
