Platt,

I read that as a metaphor.  


Marsha




On Apr 30, 2010, at 8:22 AM, [email protected] wrote:

> 
> Hi Marsha,
> 
> When it comes to social-spovs, remember the Giant that "worked with an 
> intelligence of its own that was way beyond the intelligence of any 
> person." (Lila, 5)  
> 
> Platt
> 
> 
> On 30 Apr 2010 at 4:43, MarshaV wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Platt & Bo,
>> 
>> Now you two have me confused.  I understand it to be that
>> the Social Level is made of social-spovs, and the Intellectual 
>> (SOM) Level is made up of intellectual-spovs, and the Biological 
>> Level was made up of biological-spovs, etc., and that ALL 
>> patterns are conceptual.  
>> 
>> Wow!  What a mess.   
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 30, 2010, at 4:18 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> 
>>> Platt, Horse, Group.
>>> 
>>> 29 Apr.Platt said to Horse:
>>> 
>>>> Your wish is my command. Again, you conflate intellectual patterns of
>>>> value with the intellectual level. The two are separate concepts
>>>> (thoughts, ideas).  Intellectual patterns of value is a broad concept
>>>> that includes all sorts of ideas other than SOM that were used to find
>>>> food, detect danger and defeat enemies, most of them having to with
>>>> the activities of various Gods and spirits. So intellectual (thought)
>>>> patterns certainly did exist prior to SOM which wasn't a prominent
>>>> concept until the ancient Greeks came up with the idea.
>>> 
>>> Great show Platt, this and your previous posts, I must limit myself and 
>>> have been busy with DMB and his "bulldog" Andre, but you made my 
>>> day. The MOQ must sooner or later get out of "intellect's" grip i.e. that 
>>> of conflating thinking - intelligence - with the 4th. level - but from the 
>>> intense "flak" it will probably be later..   
>>> 
>>>> As for your final question, SOM didn't create the intellectual level.
>>>> A man named Pirsig did. Before him there was no "intellectual level"
>>>> as such.
>>> 
>>> I'll have to study Horse's argument to comment this. The MOQ is a 
>>> new reality and it's not easy to sort out the steps toward it. There is the 
>>> Phaedrus of ZAMM view and there is the author of ZAMM's view, then 
>>> there is the horse-MOQ (horse-latin) view and finally the MOQ's view 
>>> that you promote.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bodvar      
>>> 
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