Hi Marsha, > Hi Mary, > > > I would ask if both inductive and deductive logic are included? I > think > they both should be represented in the fourth level. And I might > consider > whether fourth-level patterns come with their own intrinsic, > unquestionable > authority? > [Mary Replies] Agree on all points. One 'authority' has effectively been replaced by another.
> While I think the fourth level is SOM all the way. I hold the level > structure > lightly. To me the nature of all patterns has had a far greater > impact. > [Mary Replies] Exactly! The definition of the Intellectual Level, though, is essential to understanding the MoQ. I don't think it's possible to grasp the enormity of the implications inherent in a worldview of Value while clinging to the notion that the Intellectual Level is more than SOM. Best, Mary > > Marsha > > > > > > > On May 30, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Mary wrote: > > > Hi Marsha, > > > > I think your definition agrees with mine, but would welcome comments. > > > > I-SPOV's: > > > > The set of patterns of value which state that subjects and objects > are the > > fundamental reality of the world and Quality is at best a property of > > subjects or objects and at worst nothing more than an opinion. > > > > I-SPOV's say it is bad to accept a belief just because an authority > figure > > (political, religious, or otherwise) tells you so, since the only > things > > which can be known as fact as those things which can be proven by > > observation or experimentation. > > > > > > Mary > > > > On Behalf Of MarshaV > >> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 4:45 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Hi Bo, > >> > >> I've added the word 'rational' to my definition of the Intellectual- > >> spovs. > >> > >> > >> Intellectual Static Patterns of Value: > >> > >> Reified concepts and the rules for their rational manipulation. > >> Intellectual > >> patterns create false boundaries, giving the illusion of > independence, > >> or > >> 'thingness'. The fourth level is a formalized subject/object (SOM) > >> level > >> where the subjective is supposedly stripped from the experience. > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> ___ > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
