Hi Bo,
On Jun 1, 2010, at 4:46 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Mary, Marsha, All > > 31 May.: > > Marsha had said >>> While I think the fourth level is SOM all the way. I hold the level >>> structure lightly. To me the nature of all patterns has had a far >>> greater impact. > > Right you are Marsha the intellectual level is SOM all the way, at least > S/O, the "M" is handed over to the MOQ. However, an "observation" > on the "structure" part. You hold it lightly Marsha, and that's good, but > it ought to be erased totally. Marsha: I do not understand your point. In spite of my choice of words and phrases, it's Reality is Quality(unpatterned/patterned). > The levels have no structure separate from their content.. The > inorganic level is inorganic value patterns, I don't say "matter" because > that tricks us into believing that the intellectual level corresponds to > SOM's mental structure called "mind" that contains thoughts, > concepts, ideas ...etc. The structure/content dualism leads back into > SOM. Hi Bo, Marsha: Reality is Quality(unpatterned/patterned). From my point-of-view, once you understand the nature of all patterns the confusion is alleviated. The nature of all patterns within all four levels is the same: ever-changing, interdependent, relative, impermanent. That which a pattern represents is categorized into the four levels. This is how I understand it, and this understanding represents a totally new world-view. I've become disconnected from the s/o point-of-view. Some old s/o habit of thinking is still there, and needs to be monitored; I am no buddha. But that s/o thinking no longer has a me. From a Quality point-of-view, whether of a biological type or of an intellectual type, they are first simply patterns: ever-changing, interdependent, relative and impermanent. Marsha > [Mary Replies] >> Exactly! The definition of the Intellectual Level, though, is >> essential to understanding the MoQ. I don't think it's possible to >> grasp the enormity of the implications inherent in a worldview of >> Value while clinging to the notion that the Intellectual Level is more >> than SOM. > > I join you here, Mary, and repeat in fiery letters: THE DEFINITION Of > the THE INTELLECTUAL LEVEL IS ESSENTIAL TO > UNDERSTANDING THE MOQ. I will also point to your next sentence: > > "I don't think it's possible to grasp the enormity of the > implications inherent in a worldview of Value while clinging to > the notion that the Intellectual Level is more than SOM. > > this "indention" I usually reserve for Pirsig, but this deserves it. It is > the > earlier world view - SOM - stripped of its "M" and relegated the position > of the topmost static value which spells the ENORMOUS > IMPLICATIONS that Mary refers to, and what Pirsig indicates in his > "in-out-turn" of the metaphysical sock. However what made Pirsig > substitute this crucial point for the bland and ambiguous intellectual > level of LILA is the mystery. He has later rejected his own thinking > (mind-) intellect, but what does this help, the "gang of four" makes it > sound as a betraying the person RMP. > > Bodvar > > PS. > Thanks Mary for the transcription of the Pirsig interview, what an > enormous job it must have been! > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
