Hi Bo,
> Steve before >> No where does Pirsig EVER say that the MOQ is reality. He says Quality >> is reality. You are missing something big here that causes you to say >> all kinds of ridiculous things. > Bo: > He started by saying that the MOQ is reality in the "... no one can avoid > metaphysics" opening which means that the the way we experience > reality IS a metaphysics, but then lost heart and shifted to the SOM- > based "metaphysics as a (subjective) menu that refers to some > (objective) food. What "eats" (!) me is his making THIS sound as > some revolutionary insight. Anyway from then on MOQ with its DQ/SQ > constellation became an arbitrary subjective, abstraction. Steve: The quote you are referring to says," As long as you're inside a logical, coherent universe of thought you can't escape metaphysics." I point about about menu/food being a form of a dichotomy between subjective descriptions and objective reality as it really is, but Pirsig never says "the way we experience reality IS a metaphysics." You are not using "metaphysics" in the way Pirsig does. We experience reality in lots and lots of ways that never exhaust description. Metaphysics is only one particular sort of description. It is the high country of the mind. It is asking a limited sort of question that in 99% of our day we don't bother asking. If "the way we experience reality is a metaphysics" then washing the dishes is metaphysics and even babies and animals are doing metaphysics. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
