Hi Steve 6 June. :
Steve: > The quote you are referring to says," As long as you're inside a > logical, coherent universe of thought you can't escape metaphysics." OK! > (the?) point about about menu/food being a form of a dichotomy between > subjective descriptions and objective reality (is SOM) Is this what you say (my parenthesis)? If not correct me. > But Pirsig never says "the way we experience reality IS a > metaphysics." Of course not, but the message is that ordering existence is humankind's hallmark, and the respective orderings were not regarded as such it WAS existence. I know no way to convey this without invoking SOM, but this is the message of the said quote. > You are not using "metaphysics" in the way Pirsig does. We experience > reality in lots and lots of ways that never exhaust description. Certainly, he soon went on to the said SOMish variant. That's the point! > Metaphysics is only one particular sort of description. It is the high > country of the mind. Yes, after descriptions/reality, subject/object, mind/matter ...etc divisions were introduced metaphysics became mindish descriptions. And mark you - to undermine SOM Pirsig had to play by its rules, but when the MOQ takes over SOM is invalid .......you ought to know. > It is asking a limited sort of question that in 99% of our day we don't > bother asking. If "the way we experience reality is a metaphysics" then > washing the dishes is metaphysics and even babies and animals are doing > metaphysics. Not you Steve with such Andre inanities, I mean it as an explanation of the origin of the world and usually its end. The known mythologies/religions are good examples and a devout believer does not say "...this is only one particular sort of description ...etc." The moment THIS attitude enters the spell is broken. If Bin Laden came out of his cave and said that Islam is just ....etc. he would have lost his motivation Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
