On Aug 22, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Magnus Berg wrote: > Hi all > > On 2010-08-22 13:25, David Thomas wrote: >> On 8/22/10 4:15 AM, "MarshaV"<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Marsha: >>> Patterns existing "outside our concepts of them" seems to make it a SOM >>> issue, >>> but I could be wrong. Do patterns exist as independent entities? >> >> Depends. If you want to looked at them universally then, no. All patterns >> are parts of smaller and larger patterns such that ultimately all is one. > > Size has nothing to do with it. Or rather, whenever size is involved, the > only aspect you're looking at is the inorganic. > >> But this is not very helpful idea when trying to make breakfast. The belief >> that supping on the concept of a egg is the same as dining on "independent >> entity" egg in your refrigerator, will eventually will lead to the demise of >> the pattern Marsha. Pragmatism would say, "Yes, that it is reasonable thing >> to believe their really is an "outside world out there" until a better way >> of understanding that experience comes along." But there hasn't been one to >> date. It leaves open the possibility that all is illusion, but suggests it >> would not be prudent to act as if this is true. > > To me, the MoQ says: > > Since I am able to conceptualize an experience, *and* the intellectual > patterns that those concepts are made of are dependent on lower and lower > levels until we reach the inorganic reality of the original experience, > *then* the concept is a part of the same reality in which the experience > happened. And also, since that concept becomes an integral part of *me*, *I* > am also a part of that same reality. > > That's the MoQ equivalent to Descartes "I think, therefore I am". But since > the MoQ assumes more about how reality is made, i.e. the levels, then we can > also prove more using the original assumption "I think".
Marsha: What is this 'I' you put into your statement? Within the MoQ the self, or 'I', is a flow of static patterns of value. ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
