I haven't seen the video, Krimel, so I'll have to take your word for it. But it makes sense in one way, that Pirsig presents himself as as classically/intellectually oriented. That's his bent, but he transcends this in an ongoing, processional way.
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Krimel <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think it is interesting in the new Ant video that it is pretty well > established Pirsig was not saying nice things about the romantics in ZMM. > However Mary posted an excerpt on Art from this video, that I think equates with what I mean by "romantic", that did in fact support that side of intellectual evolution. > The whole deal about emotions, which is what I think the whole romantic > thing is about, is that they ARE what drives rationality. Rationality is > damn near powerless against them. Rationality is a tool that we use to get what we want. "What we want" is an emotional drive, so yeah, I agree that emotions are more fundamental and what basically drive rationalizing. > The problem is the romantics only want to > talk about the nice emotions. Emotions are a more primitive part of our > psyche and make no mistake they are in charge. The whole idea that they > have > been neglected somehow is just crazy talk. They like being neglected > because > it means we are not paying attention to them and they can run wild. > > "paying attention" is analyzing and intellectualizing. You have to have both for this dance to be. What Phaedrus shortcut with his "All this is just an analogy" ploy against the chairman, was the dialogue about what this analogy (the light horse and the dark horse) are analogies OF. I'd say in the proper use of the analogy, the dark horse of passion is the motive force and the light horse of reason is the guiding force. And you need both to get anywhere. You certainly can't call emotions "bad" just because they are emotions, any more than you can call a reason "good", just because it's rational. However, in his ZAMM formulation against "art that makes no sense, and science that is ugly", I think the proper conclusion about both being necessary is presented. I mean, when it comes down to it, caring is an emotion. If Quality isn't about caring, then I don't know what it is. John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
