Notice, I did say "fruitful" dialog. And asked we leave smug at the door. So I really was'nt expecting your participation to begin with.
Notice, also, not one word was mentioned about eastern paradise or the idea that avoiding a philosophic problem would lead to any such paradise. But, some cultures do no see the same dualisms in the same way. So no, there are non that "transcend" only those that never saw it as a Philosophic problem to begin with. Those Eastern schools of thought that do, were those introduced to western thought.like Mahayana Buddhism with the greco-buddhists. Which postings and quotes you have ignored in the past. So if we can't discuss this, then we should'nt piss eachother off. it's a huge waste of time since we already established how feel about each other. ----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 10:09:03 AM Subject: Re: [MD] An inquirey into "be-ing" Ron, You're the one making the assumption by thinking YOU know. I have presented quotes from many sources suggesting from several angles that Eastern cultures suffer from the same dualistic self/object illusion that the West suffers from. You have ignored these suggestions and the supporting quotes. I have asked you for an example of a culture that has transcended dualistic thinking, and you have not offered such an example. I think that to view the East as a paradise inhabited by millions of Buddhas is a illusion. Marsha On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:20 AM, X Acto wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: X Acto <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 9:18:32 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Able to change well. > > > > > > Quite an assumption to think to know how other > cultures understand "be-ing" > > This is a very big and important subject of inquirey > one that is skipped, ignored or missed by undertanding > one culture as the most evolutionarily advanced and > its way of understanding and conceptualizing experience. > > Prejudice one would call it, but unless suicide is evolutionarily > superior in some fashon that I am missing, then it would seem > "Qualities invention" has failed. > > This has become a huge central theme on the discuss and if we can > all avoid being sarcastic imp's a fruitful dialog could emerge. > Check our smug at the door and let us open a thread on the topic. > > An inquirey into "be-ing" I'll name it. > > > > -R > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 9:02:17 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Able to change well. > > > > Which Eastern culture moved beyond it? > > > > On Sep 3, 2010, at 8:58 AM, X Acto wrote: > >> Trouble is Bodvars SOL did'nt recognize it as a western cultural development >> it was asserted as the evolutional development of the human race. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 8:02:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Able to change well. >> >> While thinking about Ability to change well, and the static and dynamic >> functions, i suddenly asked, Is the moq Archetypal? >> >> >> This immediately highlighted the antimonies of classic, romantic, static, >> dynamic. >> >> >> Jung thinks a division between the psychic realm and that of pure emotion >> lead > > > > >> to intellectual development. >> And this reminded me of Bodvar Skutvik's SOL. >> >> >> Once humans began to regard people as either material, psychic or spiritual, >> the >> >> psychic and spiritual viewed matter as an opposite. >> This division is the basis of our cultural development it would seem. >> >> >> If you truly believe that Quality invented this division, then it is >> understandable why Bodvar regards it as Quality's intellect. >> This is reinforced by a diagram in Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance >> which does not further subdivide the romantic, for that experience is a >> unity >> of >> >> emotions. >> >> >> Yes, emotions change, but that observation is reflective. >> >> >> ------------------- >> >> >> The moq employs different antimonies. These are closer to the material, >> psychic >> >> >> >> >> and spiritual. >> (Jung thinks that psychic is an indeterminate centre between material and >> spiritual, at least at this very early stage). >> This reminds me of Maxwell's sweet spot or Dynamic coherence idea. >> And so this is Archetypal too. >> >> >> ------------------- >> >> >> Quality and Dynamic Quality are antimonies in this sense: Quality is a >> source >> and Dynamic Quality is a teleology. >> They are intellectual discriminations derived from past, future, while >> reserving >> >> an insistence that Quality is a unity of immediate experience. >> >> >> ------------------- >> >> >> It seems to me that Jung ties all this together quite well. >> But i am not expecting universal agreement. >> >> >> One more note, in Subjects, Objects, Data and Values, the four static levels >> are >> >> divided in the object and the subject. >> This works well for extroverts, but introverts may be more inclined to view >> social patterns as alien. >> And so for introverts, symbolic manipulation of the moq intellect is the >> only >> subject. >> This view again supports Bodvar's assertions it seems to me. >> >> >> Thank you >> Ade >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
