John, Science is the purveyor of a purposeless existence which, above all else, explains the sense of futility expressed by many, "Your work your ass off and then you die." Yes, there's lots of other things to complain about, but it's the scientific view that has done the most damage to the human spirit. I think Pirsig hit the bullseye when he wrote:
"From the perspective of a subject-object science, the world is a completely purposeless, valueless place. There is no point in anything. Nothing is right and nothing is wrong. Everything just functions, like machinery." (Lila, 22) Regards, Platt On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:08 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > Platt, > > I agree, but do not blame science for the problem. There seems to me to > be > a bureaucratic control issue, whereby academic, political manipulation of > science and the fruits of science subvert the open and honest inquiry of > many good men and women into the nature of nature. > > I still think your old friend Arlo had a good point about the combination > of > narrow capitalistic ownership of intellectual quality having unforseen > effects on the evolution of society. > > As always, > > John > > On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:06 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > John, > > > > Right on. Our "natural minds" understand there's much more to existence > > than > > the S/O science materialists would have us believe. But, science has been > > so > > successful in furnishing us with such useless information as what > happened > > during the first few seconds of the Big Bang that we're completely snowed > > by > > its supposed power to reveal everything there is to know. Forgotten is > that > > science hasn't a clue as to how it's S/O assumptions and worldly > knowledge > > emerge from the electrical activity of billions of neurons in the brain. > > Spirit? Now there's a foreign concept to our material-bound friends. > > > > Platt > > > > > > On 4 Sep 2010 at 22:28, John Carl wrote: > > > > Platt, > > > > This point of Pirsig's you posted isn't well understood, because people > > have lost the deep understanding of what it meant to be connected to each > > other and the land: to be born, live and die in the bosom of a family, > > tribe and place. The beckoning genie of materialism has misled men so > far > > out of their natural minds, that they can't even grasp what Pirsig is > > saying > > here. > > > > Too bad. Probably time for them to change the channel to something more > > entertaining anyway. > > > > John > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Krimel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "Sometime after the twenties a secret loneliness, so penetrating and so > > > encompassing that we are only beginning to realize the extent of it, > > > descended > > > upon the land. This scientific, psychiatric isolation and futility had > > > become a > > > far worse prison of the spirit than the old Victorian "virtue" ever > was." > > > (Lila, 22) > > > > > > Platt > > > Thank you S/O intellectuals. > > > > > > [Krimel] > > > Seriously? > > > A secret loneliness? > > > > > > There was a decade that began with 40 million people dying of the flu > > after > > > 15 million had been killed in battle the decade before. It ended in the > > > collapse of the entire world economy. Secret loneliness? You mean like > > > people were sad and dare I say, depressed? Holy shit! Maybe that's why > it > > > was call the Great Depression. Wait is that a secret, too? > > > > > > So... it was all so that the scientists could invent more bombs and > > > psychiatrists would have plenty of depressed people to treat... > > > > > > Curses on all those smarty pants intellectuals! > > > > > > Wow, Platt since the last brain cell died I have started to like the > way > > > you > > > think! > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Platt, > > > I have seen the light! America ought to be run by the stupid and > > ignorant. > > > In fact it would be better to be ruled by stupid, ignorant rich people. > > My > > > god why didn't I see that before. I now feel so validated in all the > > effort > > > I have put in over the years destroying brain cells. They were holding > me > > > back I must have killed the last one standing in the way of > > enlightenment. > > > Boy you sure got there way ahead of me. 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