On 5 Sep 2010 at 16:03, Krimel wrote: > "Sometime after the twenties a secret loneliness, so penetrating and so > encompassing that we are only beginning to realize the extent of it, > descended upon the land. This scientific, psychiatric isolation and > futility had become a far worse prison of the spirit than the old > Victorian "virtue" ever was." > (Lila, 22) > > Platt > Thank you S/O intellectuals. > > [Krimel] > Seriously? > A secret loneliness? > > There was a decade that began with 40 million people dying of the flu after > 15 million had been killed in battle the decade before. It ended in the > collapse of the entire world economy. Secret loneliness? You mean like > people were sad and dare I say, depressed? Holy shit! Maybe that's why it > was call the Great Depression. Wait is that a secret, too? > > So... it was all so that the scientists could invent more bombs and > psychiatrists would have plenty of depressed people to treat... > > Curses on all those smarty pants intellectuals! > > Wow, Platt since the last brain cell died I have started to like the way > you > think! > > [Platt] > You forgot to mention the more than 100 million slaughtered by > intellectually- > guided communism in Russia and China. No need to ask why you left that out > of > your account of recent history. > > [Krimel] > Hmm, maybe it was that last brain cell that carried the memory of Russians > and Chinese people killing each other by the millions in the 20s. Hell, I > didn't even know there were Victorians in China back then. They must have > been more depressed than I thought. And they sure kept all that killing a > secret. No wonder people were lonely. I'll bet the sky was just a shade > grayer to I mean even the air must have been alienated. The mountains were > probably shorter and the valleys deeper. The consciousness of the whole > panpsychic cosmos imprisoned in the futile bummer of the brave new world. > > "That twenty centuries of stony sleep > were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, > And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, > Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?" > - Yeats > > Do me a favor, tell me when its gone or wake me up when we get to the '50s. > [Platt} It's no secret why intellectuals want to keep secret all the killing by Communists in the 20th century.
[Krimel] So did this happen in the 20s? When I was an intellectual I thought it was because genocide was a function of totalitarianism which had nothing to do with economics. But freed of all those extra brain cells I don't know anymore. What is the secret and is the strain of keeping it what caused this the penetrating secret loneliness? If you are lonely doesn't that make it easier to keep your secrets? How is that a bad thing? Are we to the 50s yet? Say wasn't there all that whining about existential angst in the 50s too? And the 60s? In fact make that the 1820s or the 1750s or the 1660s. Didn't Socrates bitch about that new fangled writing destroying Greek culture. Has there ever been a generation of old farts who didn't bemoan the loss of something from their youth; some better time gone by? [Platt} When you were an intellectual I assume you could read. Pirsig said, "Sometime after the twenties . . ." which even to a 6-year-old means any time from then up to the present. Communism only about economics? "Communism and socialism, programs for intellectual control over society . . ." (Lila, 22) Or, if that doesn't cut any ice, how about Marx himself: "Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property . . ." (Communist Manifesto) Obviously when you say you don't know anymore,.you're right. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
