Adrie, I agree. never liked high pressure sales
----- Original Message ---- From: ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 3:44:04 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Able to change well. Yep, John, my pingtrace was an immediate hit.I located some servers.rather slippery of me eh? But it was also rather slippery of this bodrus representative to hijack Magnus his attention,redirect him from good conversations. So Barking up the wrong tree?--))))smiley. I will reconcider my position.-------mind this. good people like Magnus and you will feel abused by this obsessional Pheadrus alter ego representitive called Bodrus. I am becoming extremely pissed on this freakshow appearances. this is not anymore about downscaling the moq to a lesser quality, this is dominating the server, serving the purpose of sickening up the emerging quality, sickening up the good conversations. 2010/9/5 John Carl <[email protected]> > Adrie, > > Yeah, it's a conundrum. Still don't think it's Bo, but it sure is someone. > Marsha mebbe? > > John > > On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > [email protected] aan moq_discuss > > details weergeven 18:40 (37 minuten geleden) > > > > Hi Ade > > > > You started by mentioning SOL, and SOL depends on the levels, it is > defined > > in terms of the levels, so I don't see how you back up to ZMM after > > mentioning it. It was the SOL I was commenting, not Jung. > > > > > > > > > > @ Hello Magnus, > > Bodvar uses the phrase SOM is Quality's intellect. > > As far as Zen and... goes i think i understand why he is saying this. > > I think Jung confirms this. > > We are in 1975 and Lila is yet to be published. > > > > > > I don't see a problem with ascribing the skill to Quality. I *do* see a > > problem with giving it a whole new level. As I said, the ramifications of > > doing it are simply too severe and wrecks havoc in the level hierarchy. > The > > two examples I gave are just two, I could go on for quite a while. > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > > > > @ Lila has just been published. A metaphysics is delineated. A question > may > > be asked, how does SOM, which did all that good work in Zen and... fit > in? > > It's a legitimate question. > > Bodvar feels there has been a cop out and the fruits of Zen and... are > left > > rotting on the vine. > > He feels SOM did great things and now it's been dissolved. This seems > like > > an injustice doesn't it? > > SODV attempts to indicate that SOM is alive and well. > > Bodvar thinks Robert Pirsig is playing slippery eel. He knows he's wrong > > but > > he won't admit it and make himself look inferior to Bodvar. > > Now it's personal. It's about integrity. Here's one: It's Phaedrus who's > > been betrayed. Robert Pirsig has done the dirty and is getting away with > > it. > > Bodvar IS Phaedrus now and he's not going to allow it. He'll show 'em. > > But no one is backing him up. No one understands. They are all cowards > and > > cheats. It's not persecution, they really aren't up to it. > > This town ain't big enough for two metaphysics. There's a gonna be a > > showdown. > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > > Hello , ade, i have a question towards you to reconcider my position, as > i > > stated earlier on. > > In fact, i think i have more than one actually. > > But lets start with this for now > > > > Why is your account newly made for use on this list , and is not used > > previous to these events? > > Why are you talking as Bodrus, as in Bodvar is pheadrus,or as in Bodvar > > represents the pre-hospitalised Pirsig? > > Why are your Jung Terms all to find back on 1 wikipage,but you do not use > > wat Jung was representing, as in multiple identities. > > Why is the above quoted the biggest Pirsig defacement-event ever on this > > list? > > Why is your englisch improving faster than lightspeed,( compared with the > > first postings?) > > > > This is for now , i am still to reconcider my position. > > Adrie > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/9/5 <[email protected]> > > > > > Hi Ade > > > > > > You started by mentioning SOL, and SOL depends on the levels, it is > > defined > > > in terms of the levels, so I don't see how you back up to ZMM after > > > mentioning it. It was the SOL I was commenting, not Jung. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ Hello Magnus, > > > Bodvar uses the phrase SOM is Quality's intellect. > > > As far as Zen and... goes i think i understand why he is saying this. > > > I think Jung confirms this. > > > We are in 1975 and Lila is yet to be published. > > > > > > > > > I don't see a problem with ascribing the skill to Quality. I *do* see a > > > problem with giving it a whole new level. As I said, the ramifications > of > > > doing it are simply too severe and wrecks havoc in the level hierarchy. > > The > > > two examples I gave are just two, I could go on for quite a while. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ Lila has just been published. A metaphysics is delineated. A question > > may > > > be asked, how does SOM, which did all that good work in Zen and... fit > > in? > > > It's a legitimate question. > > > Bodvar feels there has been a cop out and the fruits of Zen and... are > > left > > > rotting on the vine. > > > He feels SOM did great things and now it's been dissolved. This seems > > like > > > an injustice doesn't it? > > > SODV attempts to indicate that SOM is alive and well. > > > Bodvar thinks Robert Pirsig is playing slippery eel. He knows he's > wrong > > > but he won't admit it and make himself look inferior to Bodvar. > > > Now it's personal. It's about integrity. Here's one: It's Phaedrus > who's > > > been betrayed. Robert Pirsig has done the dirty and is getting away > with > > it. > > > Bodvar IS Phaedrus now and he's not going to allow it. He'll show 'em. > > > But no one is backing him up. No one understands. They are all cowards > > and > > > cheats. It's not persecution, they really aren't up to it. > > > This town ain't big enough for two metaphysics. There's a gonna be a > > > showdown. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lila uses a different set of opposites to that found in the > previous > > > book in order to explain evolution in terms of quality. > > > > It's author has stated in SODV that levels submerge subjects and > > objects. > > > I don't think it's that easy. > > > > I think i get what you are saying, but the submerged subjects and > > objects > > > are a division of the stack itself. > > > > So you're right and wrong at the same time. > > > > I think. > > > > > > I don't think I got that. Do you mean that the S/O division comes > before > > > the level division? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ The first 2 levels are objects and the next 2 are subjects according > to > > > SODV. In your terms, the first 2 stacks are objects and the next 2 > stacks > > > are subjects. I keep getting these mixed up but i think that's it. > > > The S/O division is submerged by giving 2 stacks to one and 2 stacks to > > the > > > other. > > > > > > > > > In that case, I disagree. I think the level division comes before S/O. > > > Every single quality event is first of all a mix of static and dynamic. > > > After that, it's one (or more) distinct types of patterns (levels), > then > > you > > > can start talking about the two sides of the event, the subject on one > > side > > > and the object on the other. So, I'd disagree with the SODV diagram. > > Higher > > > levels get more *dynamic*, and that does have a certain connection with > > what > > > many call subjective. But to make things metaphysically coherent, it's > > > better to bury the S/O division under the level division. > > > > > > The important thing to remember is that the subject need *not* be > > sentient, > > > which demystifies thought-experiments like Schrödinger's cat. > > > > > > But that's probably a bit OT. > > > > > > Magnus > > > > > > > > > @ I will think about what you have said here. When i read Thomas Kuhn > it > > > became apparent to be that when a new paradigm claims to include an > older > > > one this very often turns out to be misleading. So i reckon you may be > > onto > > > something here. > > > Nice going. > > > Thank you > > > Ade > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > parser > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
