Hello Mr. Maxwell, I apologize for commenting on something two weeks gone, but your insight resonates.
On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 11:40 AM ... > We are in 1975 and Lila is yet to be published. > > > I don't see a problem with ascribing the skill to Quality. I *do* see a > problem with giving it a whole new level. As I said, the ramifications > of doing it are simply too severe and wrecks havoc in the level > hierarchy. The two examples I gave are just two, I could go on for > quite a while. > > [Mary replies] Here I tend to disagree. The "levels" can be understood on many "levels". This is the beauty of it. > > > @ Lila has just been published. A metaphysics is delineated. A question > may be asked, how does SOM, which did all that good work in Zen and... > fit in? > It's a legitimate question. > Bodvar feels there has been a cop out and the fruits of Zen and... are > left rotting on the vine. [Mary replies] Exactly! > He feels SOM did great things and now it's been dissolved. This seems > like an injustice doesn't it? > SODV attempts to indicate that SOM is alive and well. > Bodvar thinks Robert Pirsig is playing slippery eel. He knows he's > wrong but he won't admit it and make himself look inferior to Bodvar. > Now it's personal. It's about integrity. Here's one: It's Phaedrus > who's been betrayed. Robert Pirsig has done the dirty and is getting > away with it. [Mary replies] It's only personal in the sense that the usefulness of the MoQ is personal. That Pirsig took a wag is his own choice, but it does not have to be ours. The ideas of ZMM are clear for all to see who find them useful. > Bodvar IS Phaedrus now and he's not going to allow it. He'll show 'em. > But no one is backing him up. No one understands. They are all cowards > and cheats. It's not persecution, they really aren't up to it. > This town ain't big enough for two metaphysics. There's a gonna be a > showdown. > [Mary replies] Philosophy is not a competitive sport. The problem might be more like this: Jesus said X, Y and Z. These words stood alone for 20 years and you found profound value in them. Then Jesus popped back up on the scene and said, "Well, I've changed my mind. It's really X, Y, and B" - and not only that - but also denied he'd ever said X, Y, Z in the first place! Depending on what Z and B are, this may or may not be a big deal, but if you see that changing Z to B panders to the SOM world-view he was originally trying to replace, you might be a little disturbed. You might feel like the baby was just thrown out with the bathwater, and you might feel like you'd been betrayed for 20 pieces of silver. IMHO. You might be inclined to say to hell with Robert M. Pirsig. > @ The first 2 levels are objects and the next 2 are subjects according > to SODV. In your terms, the first 2 stacks are objects and the next 2 > stacks are subjects. I keep getting these mixed up but i think that's > it. > The S/O division is submerged by giving 2 stacks to one and 2 stacks to > the other. > > > In that case, I disagree. I think the level division comes before S/O. > Every single quality event is first of all a mix of static and dynamic. > After that, it's one (or more) distinct types of patterns (levels), > then you can start talking about the two sides of the event, the > subject on one side and the object on the other. So, I'd disagree with > the SODV diagram. [Mary replies] I agree with your disagreement. SODV is pandering to SOM. I am mystified as to why he did it. Best, Mary Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
