That's find Ian.  But I think the heart part is too often missing on the MD.  
But maybe that's just me.   I put the post to the MD because I needed to.  I 
have apologized to John.


Marsha 



On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:16 AM, Ian wrote:

> Marsha, John, I hate to be the one defending dmb but offlist traffic is good, 
> when the subject matter is personal, for anyone concerned with positive 
> progress over damaging individuals.
> 
> Bad news in private, good news in public is my own working adage, and offlist 
> mail is not unusual for you either Marsha, which is the only reason you were 
> mentioned ?
> 
> DMB's style is dmb's style, on or offlist. Like his style or not, he's 
> consistent.
> Ian
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 13 Sep 2010, at 09:43, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I can only wonder at what other kind of offlist conniving dmb uses to
>> bully, shame and control the MD.  Head, hand and heart?  Right,
>> but  not for dmb.  He's got a swollen head, a shrunken mind
>> and no heart.  The MoQ is suppose to be a philosophy of head,
>> heart and hand.  Ignore him.   He's small.
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> p.s.  Since I do not speak negatively about people offlist, I feel I need
>> to forward this to the group.  Sorry John.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2010, at 12:12 AM, John Carl wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> 
>>> I ordinarily don't comment much off list, as you know, but dmb sent me this 
>>> and since he mentioned you by name, I figure I'd get your feedback.  In 
>>> fact, it was your request for a story which generated the whole thing.
>>> 
>>> And don't worry about me taking him (or you for that matter!)  too 
>>> seriously.  I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do.
>>> 
>>> I did reply that I'd rather cease the off-list sniping.  If he has 
>>> something to say, say it in public like a man.  That's all.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: david buchanan <[email protected]>
>>> Date: Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:03 PM
>>> Subject: Unlike Marsha's post, this really is OFF LIST
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't mean to be cold, but maybe you ought not use the MD as place for 
>>> personal confessions. Don't you have friends you can talk to about your 
>>> personal problems? What did you expect to get by posting such a thing in an 
>>> internet philosophy forum? And when did I ever pretend to understand you or 
>>> comprehend you? You seemed be begging for encouragement and consolation and 
>>> my reply was only half-assed on that score. But it's the begging that's 
>>> pathetic, not my half-hearted sympathy. If we were friends, you'd be right 
>>> to feel disappointed. But we're not. You should be glad that nobody used 
>>> that post to paint you as a white-trash loser, which it practically did all 
>>> by itself.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yea, my sad understanding is funny as hell. Glad my pathetic naivete could 
>>> give you and Lu a good laugh, something to smile broadly about, something 
>>> to roll your eyes to and something to literally laugh out loud over.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Me thinks thou doest protest too much, in fact quite hysterically and 
>>> redundantly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 12:32:18 -0700
>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Where I'm at
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the ah... encouragement(?) dave, don't worry your pretty lil
>>>> head. Problems always look smaller in the rear-view mirror and fading fast
>>>> behind. I'm for the road.
>>>> 
>>>> Although it's funny as hell watching you try and encapsulate my solutions,
>>>> obviate my choices and replace them mentally with your own. Do it some
>>>> more! I can always use a good laugh.
>>>> 
>>>> I gotta point this one out to Lu. "go down to the bank with a suit and
>>>> tie". I'm am really, truly, literally laughing out loud.
>>>> 
>>>> And she's smiling broadly and rolling her eyes at your naivete. It's sad
>>>> how pathetically you understand anything about me, and even sadder that you
>>>> can't even comprehend me when I tell you.
>>>> 
>>>> good for a laugh tho, like I said.
>>>> 
>>>> hang in there, lil buddy.
>>>> 
>>>> Watch for the signs.
>>>> 
>>>> big bad mother-trucker John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> dmb says:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Limbo? I believe the term is "under water". If you hold a mortgage (latin
>>>>> for 'death grip") on a condemned property, then even "under water" is a 
>>>>> bit
>>>>> of a euphemism. How about "threshold to hell"? Sorry, don't mean to kick a
>>>>> guy when he's down but it sounds like you gotta get real handy, handyman. 
>>>>> I
>>>>> bet you can do it. Think what a great story it'll make in ten years, how 
>>>>> you
>>>>> saved the ranch and won back your gal. This is your chance to be the hero 
>>>>> of
>>>>> your own story.
>>>>> It might be worth looking into the programs Obama has set up that Chase
>>>>> doesn't want you to know about and if you know any lawyers, etc. Some
>>>>> literal compliance will be part of the fight to get the red tag removed,
>>>>> don't let pride tell you otherwise. If it means hauling a moldering bus 
>>>>> out
>>>>> of there, just do it. On your mark. Get the contents of your septic tank
>>>>> straightened out. Set some goat loose on that grass. Go down to the bank 
>>>>> in
>>>>> a suit and tie. You can do it. After you've jumped all those hurdles you 
>>>>> can
>>>>> dance under a stick. You know, the good kind of limbo, where you gotta be
>>>>> limber and there's usually icy cocktails involved.
>>>>> 
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