Frank, There's a good point to be made in your and my confusion about morality and society. After all, whatever ultimate morality may be driving society's evolution, it's through social institutions that morality gets teeth and bites us on the ass. Thus social morality is the morality we most believe in.
Morality that has no teeth, barely exists in our views. So while morality creates social patterns, it's social patterns which enforce, mold and shape morality. A hall of mirrors indeed. And I'd never doubt your ability to hold yer mud, Frank. I myself am a go-with-the-flow kinda dude. Your freudians have the term for it, i believe. jc On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Frank Booth <[email protected]>wrote: > You are right. Maybe. ( Some ) social patterns do not have morality as an > attribute. The moral ones do. In fact, morality does. > > I did not say that morality is derived from, but that morality is of the > social. > Is-ness. > > On the other hand I cannot think of a single social pattern that does not > tip > it's hat to morality in some way or other. > > My huggies are clean as a whistle. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Carl <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 6:36:06 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] How far do you go to preserve individual life? > > OOPs, you're conflating again Frank. better check your depends. > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Frank Booth <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > <F> > > WRONG! > > > > 1) Morality is a social pattern and therefore intellectual patterns > cannot > > have > > morality as an attribute. > > > > Social patterns don't have morality as an attribute either. They are > driven > by morality, they model upon it, but morality certainly isn't social. I > assumed you'd read the books? Therein you'll find that the universe as a > moral order is a high Quality idea. Morality as derived from the social > order is how the Victorians viewed it. We don't sing that song in these > parts. > > > > > > > > 2) Society is the sum total ( pattern ) of many individual social > patterns. > > > > 3) Nevertheless ( in spite of [1] and [2] ), MOQ asserts that evolution > is > > a > > moral process. > > > > > I don't like "in spite of". in spite of's are nasty ans spiteful sounding. > They usually indicate a kludge. Let's just stick with - Evolution is a > moral process. Or rather, thee moral process. Society is _a_ moral > process. > > > > > And so on ... > > > > > > > > Exactly. > > > John the moral process > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
